[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..ok, that's your own personal experience and fair enough if you know lots of people who's priorities are themselves and not their children...but my experience couldn't be more different to that...there are parents like you say, I can't deny that but for me they are very much the minority..I come into contact with many families..(in the hundreds at any one time..).. through my work and I'm also aware of their circumstances and if I kind of multiply that by the amount of years I've been working then that's a lot of familes..and I can honestly say that maybe there have been a small handful of parents who haven't prioritised their children..and thought about their own needs more...

..maybe you're right and 'lots of people do' but I still don't think that 'lots' of people represents a very large percentage... as the majority are loving and nurturing parents, who try their very best.... no matter what their financial situation..this is not about upsetting parents at all..it just doesn't seem necessary and in my view is quite a demoralising thing to do....

your world seems the total opposite of mine, sorry my experience is almost 100% different

what kind of parent has 6 or 7 kids and neither works yet decides to have yet more kids? I know of some families with 9 kids, 6 dogs , no jobs and all on the benefits? at what stage does one say sorry enough is enough? at what stage does a parent have to ask themselves, can I afford to have more and more children? do I have the right to ask the rest of society work to pay for and feed and cloth this huge number fo children?

most responsible people find someone they love then consider what kind of life they can offer a child before they actually attempt to have 1 child let alone 8 or 9 children

dont these workless parents consider that an aspect of bringing up children is hard work, making it for oneself, showing the children a hard working role model?

young healthy adults have no right to a lifetime of benefits imho....they should all work if they are healthy.

often these parents cannot be questioned or advised or they soon get aggressive and violent. they all tell you how much they love their kids, well I dont believe them. is it love to smoke and swear and fight and drink in front of your kids? is it love to show them a workless household, how to live off the benefits from work done by other honest hardworking people? is if love to learn them these poor habits? what about aspirations? what about healthy living? what about work? what about ambition? education? what about an environment large enough for children to grow up properly? Im not saying you cant have love in a small house of 10 kids....but its different to 50 years ago, when a working family worked hard for pittance....these are people who dont work deliberately. they get pregnant in order to jump the queue for a free house, then to get more benefits and so on

one chap with 4 kids, a pretty hideous fellow, told me one night he had to get so smashed that night as he was being means tested the next day and needed to get such a high quantity of alcohol in his blood system to ensure he goes up a level on his benefit.....the same individual is violent, heavy drinker, cheat son his missus and well lets just say does a lot fo bad things

this is the problem we have created with this politically correct culture of dependence.....everyone things they have a right to handouts forever, with no responsibility.....they also think that by simply telling everyone theyre a great parent it means they are one. self praise is no recommendation. ask the kids what they think about living with 10 kids loads of pets in a 4 bedroomed terrace with parents who drink , smoke , dont work and no doubt dont even find the will to cook proper meals in a proper oven