[Cherie]

The kids will do anything to qualify for the inheritance ..... [/QUOTE]

Can you explain please Omah, would they not get it anyway?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's the opposite with me Joey,my parents were always Labour voters,I had their views drummed into me from an early age and I always followed suit until the last Labour government got in power,I then took a lot more notice of politics and although I don't fully understand it all I find it very interesting,I also understand to get the country back on it's feet we have to be cruel to be kind 'tough love' as they say,it's no good pussy footing about giving people what they want all the time,people are spoilt they claim they have nothing etc,but the majority have mobiles,laptops,video consoles,flat screen TVs ,fags drink etc,so although I aknowledge some people are struggling,some that moan are not,so for me David Cameron is my choice at the moment,he hasn't got everything right but I can see where he is coming from,he is doing what he thinks is right and not doing things to be popular,as for Margaret Thatcher,my parents disliked her,but but they certainly aren't partying at her death,I have such a lot to learn about politics,so I may just have to pick your knowlegable brain Joey Your posts are always interesting and thought provoking.

I agree no Govt or PM will get everything right and I have agreed with a lot David Cameron has set out to do.
As to tlhe last Labour Govt however,I really don't think under Tony Blairs premiership that it was in essence a Labour Govt.
For me, looking back over it, he virtually squandered 2 massive overall majorities with which he could have done so much more for the people who had loyally supported Labour through the really dark years of the 80s for the Party but moreso he could have ensured that so many fairer policies were cemented in place that couldn't be tampered with by successive Govts.

Although he made some errors as Chancellor,Gordon Brown in better times may have been a better PM.
He wasn't, as with this Chancellor now,very forward looking or a good planner but he was more compassionate than Blair and much more than Margaret Thatcher.
However he was a better second than first man,he wasn't clearly up the the job as PM and did badly with it in my view.
True, he had the Global banking collapse and recession to hit him but he could have been re-elected as PM long before that hit had he chosen to have an election.

In all that, Margaret Thatcher, would never be able to be accused of of not really weighing things up,which is why I don't like the fixed Parliament idea either, I think it is better when PMs can decide to hold an election at the time of their choosing.
She chose wisely both in 1983, able to reap the benefits of the Falklands campaign but also to capitalise on Labours problems with the new SDP/Liberal Alliance effect.

She ridiculed and beat Neil Kinnock in the Commons hands down everytime and was able to expose his weaknessess in the 1987 election.
She only failed to grasp that her own party would be the ones to stab her in the back and bring her down, which is what I found a bit sickening yeaterday,all these glowing tributes to this paragon of virtue that they destroyed the career of.
For me the sad thing as to her time as PM is I think it seems people got more selfish, less caring for neighbours and communities.
I would have voted for her had I been born and old enough in 1979,I do believe she needed to sort the Union issue out at that time.
Even she though would not have anything to do with welfare reform with the policies this Govt has enacted.

I hate the main policies of this Govt, I have just lost a friend who has been in my view, harrassed by ATOS and the DWP who are following Duncan Smiths shocking and obscene benefit reform policies.
Twice his family have fought appeals and won them and still ATOS and the DWP sent for him again.
Well, they cannot now and what annoys me is that Duncan smith says this shouldn't happen but he does nothing to ensure it doesn't.

I supported welfare reform but not these policies as to it,they are too severe, too much and in my view heartless and quite simply wrong.
I will also never trust the NHS to the Conservatives after David Cameron said he would do no full reform of the NHS but has.
Neither will I trust the Lib Dems with it either now for supporting it.

Economically, this Govt has failed, they said it would take 5 years to sort all out and that cuts had to made in the 1st year to ensure that was possible.
In 2015, they will be asking for the same time again almost as their policies have now failed.
That's where I parted company with them and lost faith and trust in them too.

I am however no expert in Politics, I will likely enter politics after Uni, I also hope I will hold onto my feeling and principle that I can do all I can for those who are the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable.
If I was carrying nothing and saw someone with loads of bags, I would consider the right, decent and moral thing to do to go and offer assistance to that person.
I see no argument for that not to be practised in all works of life,physically or financially and economically,it is something I really hope I will stay true to all my life.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can you explain please Omah, would they not get it anyway?

Not necessarily - she could have left the Ł63m to a cats home - I doubt that we'll ever find out what is in her will but, since her "children" were wayward in her lifetime, compliance with any funeral arrangements may be a condition of inheritance .....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Omah

Not necessarily - she could have left the Ł63m to a cats home - I doubt that we'll ever find out what is in her will but, since her "children" were wayward in her lifetime, compliance with any funeral arrangements may be a condition of inheritance .....

oh yeah I get you though I thought she didn't want a fuss.. anyway its knocking all the cuts in benefits right into the long grass so every cloud as they say.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

In the first few minutes, Paul O'Grady talking about Liverpool under Thatcher and how we now know she gave up on the city.

Its true that you cant please all the people all the time but to give up on one of the most populated cities in the country show just how little Thatcher cared about anyone or anything that didn't fit her agenda.

[arista]

Question Time tonight
has Polly Toynbee

Should be good


In Other News
Kinnock
will not be at the funeral - Thats good

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

In Other News
Kinnock
will not be at the funeral - Thats good

At the right time, he will pay his respects ..... and spit on her grave .....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

At the right time, he will pay his respects ..... and spit on her grave .....

If you didn't like her policies or respect her has a person, that doesn't excuse the disgusting bile I've seen over the last couple of days, on here and in the wider world.

This disgusting post from Omah just about puts the tin lid on it, topped off with the usual inappropriate emoticon.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

At the right time, he will pay his respects ..... and spit on her grave .....

Kinnock could never be a British PM
he is a loser

[arista]

This Thread is for all to Speak Their mind
even Omah

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

This Thread is for all to Speak Their mind
even Omah

And following that logic, I can say that his post about spitting on someone's grave, disgusted me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

And following that logic, I can say that his post about spitting on someone's grave, disgusted me.

Very True

[Cherie]

I have to say I have seen no "bile spewing" on this thread, just people from both sides expressing their opinions which they should be entitled to do without being attacked, this thread was never meant to be an Eulogy. Each person's opinion is as valid as the next even if they say it with smilies.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have to say I have seen no "bile spewing" on this thread, just people from both sides expressing their opinions which they should be entitled to do without being attacked, this thread was never meant to be an Eulogy. Each person's opinion is as valid as the next even if they say it with smilies.

And that includes me.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

And that includes me.

it does indeed, it doesn't mean that you can call posters on this thread "bile spewing" with impunity.

[Kizzy]

Far from the political landscape that was forever changed, her hardline and hard face against the troubles and her dealings with despots, what I find the most unforgivable is she was the instigator of setting man against man in the UK.
It began with the miners, using the police as militia and the media as a form of social control, slowly the country had a distinctive 'us and them' feel. She took more than jobs and industry but the heart and spirit of the ordinary working man.
There was no such thing as society, just broken individuals with no pride.
Her divide and conquer methods were divisive but they worked a little too well, as seen if you hack at the fabric of society with scissors don't be surprised if it falls apart.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Far from the political landscape that was forever changed, her hardline and hard face against the troubles and her dealings with despots, what I find the most unforgivable is she was the instigator of setting man against man in the UK.
It began with the miners, using the police as militia and the media as a form of social control, slowly the country had a distinctive 'us and them' feel. She took more than jobs and industry but the heart and spirit of the ordinary working man.
There was no such thing as society, just broken individuals with no pride.
Her divide and conquer methods were divisive but they worked a little too well, as seen if you hack at the fabric of society with scissors don't be surprised if it falls apart.

She Created New Labour.

Problem is Blair was like her
so New Labour (including unwanted Brown)wasted in power 13 years.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

She Created New Labour.

Problem is Blair was like her
so New Labour (including unwanted Brown)wasted in power 13 years.

Arista, my post relates to a time 15yrs before Blair...
And how in that time the social construct of the UK was changed forever.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Arista, my post relates to a time 15yrs before Blair...
And how in that time the social construct of the UK was changed forever.

Yes I Know
But the 13 wasted years of New Labour
created problems like Thatcher.


You can not skip it

Thatcher and Blair are the same tin can.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I Know
But the 13 wasted years of New Labour
created problems like Thatcher.


You can not skip it

Thatcher and Blair are the same.

He was not the PM that everyone was hoping for no that's a given, bit of a wolf in sheeps clothing that one.
However, as said the issues facing society were changed prior to that, nobody can deny this.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He was not the PM that everyone was hoping for no that's a given, bit of a wolf in sheeps clothing that one.
However, as said the issues facing society were changed prior to that, nobody can deny this.

True
Thatcher changed all the Rubbish pilled up on the streets
and sorted Unions out who had Control of Michael Foot - Labour

[joeysteele]

Michael Foot had no chance whatsoever to become PM, as with William Hague in 2001 who as opposition leader in 2001 saw an election defeat 99% the same as the previous one in 1997.

Even one of arista's favourite papers/comics,The Sun, called the Conservatives under Hague the dead parrot party.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Life doesn't have to be fair, but you don't need your own politicians to rig the game against those with the least. My issues with her aren't that she showed the citizens how life isn't fair, it's that she purposefully made it that way.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Michael Foot had no chance whatsoever to become PM, as with William Hague in 2001 who as opposition leader in 2001 saw an election defeat 99% the same as the previous one in 1997.

Even one of arista's favourite papers/comics,The Sun, called the Conservatives under Hague the dead parrot party.

Yes Sun is Great Value
but I also buy the Guardian.

You can not Box me up.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

This Thread is for all to Speak Their mind

But that's not true, i got infracted for speaking my mind.