[thesheriff443]

for many years there as been a large number of doctors and psychologist that believe that your life is pre set by the age of five.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I think we should all just use the disabled toilets since they're gender-neutral and roomy.

if only it was that simple

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

As a woman, if I saw what I thought was a man in a female toilet, I'd be uncomfortable/worried. I can't see many women being okay with it.

It doesnt bother me now, because I spend a lot of time in gay bars (where anyone just uses any toilet ) but a few years ago it would have. Even if the person is a woman inside a mans body, they still look like a man :S

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I do think six is too young to truly determinate something like that, but I don't really see a problem with her being allowed to use the girl's bathroom at that age if she wants. She obviously expressed that she feels uncomfortable using the boy's one so I see no reason to not let her use the toilet she feels most comfortable with.

The male/female toilet separation needs to stay though. I will be damned if they go to unisex bathrooms and get rid of urinals. I would install a urinal in my house if I could.

Yeah but where where does it end? Kids at senior school could start saying they were transgendered just to get in the womens loos/mens loos. I remember the guys at our seniors (in the younger years) would always try to get into our loos.

I'm not saying transgendered people do this for this reason, just that some others would take the piss with it.

[Ammi]

..I'm really conflicted and yes, a bit confused about this..from what I understand, Coy was 'confirmed' to be transgender at 4yrs old by a psychologist...so are we saying that sexuality is a psychological thing..because I always understood it to be physical and something you had no control over....

[Vicky.]

http://www.merckmanuals.com/professi...sexualism.html

Gender role behaviors fall on a continuum of traditional masculinity or femininity, with a growing cultural recognition that some people do not fit into the traditional male-female dichotomy. Western cultures are more tolerant of tomboyish behaviors in young girls (generally not considered a gender identity disorder) than effeminate or “sissy” behaviors in boys. Many boys role-play as girls or mothers, including trying on their sister's or mother's clothes. Usually, this behavior is part of normal development. Only in extreme cases does this behavior and an associated expressed wish to be the other sex persist. Most boys with gender identity disorder of childhood do not have the disorder as adults, but many are homosexual or bisexual as adults.

Quite interesting...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

http://www.merckmanuals.com/professi...sexualism.html



Quite interesting...

..yeah, it's interesting but also with the nature/nurture thing..?..I thought that most transgenders weren't born with complicated chromosome structure, but just a male/female one...

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm really conflicted and yes, a bit confused about this..from what I understand, Coy was 'confirmed' to be transgender at 4yrs old by a psychologist...so are we saying that sexuality is a psychological thing..because I always understood it to be physical and something you had no control over....

was 'confirmed' to be transgender at 4yrs old....

What a crock of Bull**** !!!!, why anyone would let some snake oil two bit wannabe psychiatrist make this kind of pronouncement on a 4 year old child is almost beyond belief. And for the poor gullible parents to actually believe this rubbish adds insult to injury.

Surely the authorities have to step in and tell these parents to get a grip and stop acting on such nonsense. This child could be irreparably damaged due to this , people need to wake up and take a step back. Stories like these never cease to amaze me...!!!!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

was 'confirmed' to be transgender at 4yrs old....

What a crock of Bull**** !!!!, why anyone would let some snake oil two bit wannabe psychiatrist make this kind of pronouncement on a 4 year old child is almost beyond belief. And for the poor gullible parents to actually believe this rubbish adds insult to injury.

Surely the authorities have to step in and tell these parents to get a grip and stop acting on such nonsense. This child could be irreparably damaged due to this , people need to wake up and take a step back. Stories like these never cease to amaze me...!!!!

..yeah, but that's why I said it as 'confirmed'...I'm really not sure what to think about this case tbh because to me, the parents encouraging her to be a boy is no different to parents who feel that a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl and that's what they have to be, because they're not giving her the leeway to be male either...they're still 'pushing her down a path..', surely..?...

[Vicky.]

Yup, comes across as the parents rather than the child to me too. I suspect they wanted a girl and had a boy and never got over it so are pushing this child to be something they are not. I just do not think at 6 year old that kids even know what they are. My friend at school was a proper tomboy, used to say she wanted to be a boy, was certain she wanted to be a boy. She grew out of it. As do most kids. I even had a friend who wanted to be a dolphin when he drew up :S

The child as been given the option to not use the male toilets if it makes them uncomfortable.. Why the parents are pushing and pushing when it would make a lot of other people feel uncomfortable to give into their wishes is questionable...

Obviously there is the chance that the child actually is transgendered, but from the info we have, it seems to be more the parents.

Out of curiosity..transgendered adults..are they able to use the 'opposite' toilets? Or expected to use their biological ones?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yup, comes across as the parents rather than the child to me too. I suspect they wanted a girl and had a boy and never got over it so are pushing this child to be something they are not. I just do not think at 6 year old that kids even know what they are. My friend at school was a proper tomboy, used to say she wanted to be a boy, was certain she wanted to be a boy. She grew out of it. As do most kids. I even had a friend who wanted to be a dolphin when he drew up :S

The child as been given the option to not use the male toilets if it makes them uncomfortable.. Why the parents are pushing and pushing when it would make a lot of other people feel uncomfortable to give into their wishes is questionable...

Obviously there is the chance that the child actually is transgendered, but from the info we have, it seems to be more the parents.

Out of curiosity..transgendered adults..are they able to use the 'opposite' toilets? Or expected to use their biological ones?

My son wanted to be Spiderman when he was six

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yup, comes across as the parents rather than the child to me too. I suspect they wanted a girl and had a boy and never got over it so are pushing this child to be something they are not. I just do not think at 6 year old that kids even know what they are. My friend at school was a proper tomboy, used to say she wanted to be a boy, was certain she wanted to be a boy. She grew out of it.

The child as been given the option to not use the male toilets. Why the parents are pushing and pushing when it would make a lot of other people feel uncomfortable to give into their wishes is questionable...

Obviously there is the chance that the child actually is transgendered, but from the info we have, it seems to be more the parents.

..I think they have quite a few daughters Vicky..it's a large family and Coy is a twin, I think...but when I first heard this story, I watched some vids of interviews with the parents and the main thing that they kept stressing was how their child dressed and that Coy wasn't happy going out in male clothes..?..but I had two older brothers and was a complete 'tomboy' as a child and I hated wearing a dress..my mum used to make mw wear one on Sundays for church and I couldn't wait to get home to change into jeans...I would never have worn female clothes unless forced to...so there must be something more to it in their minds, yet I can't see any articles or interviews where they comment on anything else..it's confusing...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My son wanted to be Spiderman when he was six

..and is he..?...Spiderman..?...do you know for sure that he isn't..?...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think they have quite a few daughters Vicky..it's a large family and Coy is a twin, I think...but when I first heard this story, I watched some vids of interviews with the parents and the main thing that they kept stressing was how their child dressed and that Coy wasn't happy going out in male clothes..?..but I had two older brothers and was a complete 'tomboy' as a child and I hated wearing a dress..my mum used to make mw wear one on Sundays for church and I couldn't wait to get home to change into jeans...I would never have worn female clothes unless forced to...so there must be something more to it in their minds, yet I can't see any articles or interviews where they comment on anything else..it's confusing...

I was exactly the same, I had 3 brothers and I hated anything girlie, I used to have tantrums even at a young age because my mother made me wear a dress sometimes. If you had asked me when I was a kid if I wanted to be a boy or a girl, I probably would have said boy, that didn't make me transgender.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..and is he..?...Spiderman..?...do you know for sure that he isn't..?...

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My son wanted to be Spiderman when he was six

You allowed him to sleep in the corner of the ceiling, I hope?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JH95

You allowed him to sleep in the corner of the ceiling, I hope?

Of Course

[Jake.]

Thank goodness

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My son wanted to be Spiderman when he was six

Originally Posted by JH95

You allowed him to sleep in the corner of the ceiling, I hope?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was exactly the same, I had 3 brothers and I hated anything girlie, I used to have tantrums even at a young age because my mother made me wear a dress sometimes. If you had asked me when I was a kid if I wanted to be a boy or a girl, I probably would have said boy, that didn't make me transgender.

..yeah, I would have said the same..I only had one 'girlfriend' and all of the other people I hung out with were my brothers and their friends and I did get bought 'female' gifts, like a Barbie and typewriter and stuff, but I hardly ever really played with them, compared to doing 'boy stuff'..climbing trees, making dens etc..I would much rather have been a boy and I think I probably did think of myself as a boy because when they would say..oh, you can't do this etc, because you're a girl...I would get really annoyed, because I never thought of myself as a girl...this is what confuses me about Coy and her parents because they seem quite hung up on the clothes thing and the sort of toys he/she prefers playing with...that's all they ever mention...plus obviously, the toilet thing...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think they have quite a few daughters Vicky..it's a large family and Coy is a twin, I think...but when I first heard this story, I watched some vids of interviews with the parents and the main thing that they kept stressing was how their child dressed and that Coy wasn't happy going out in male clothes..?..but I had two older brothers and was a complete 'tomboy' as a child and I hated wearing a dress..my mum used to make mw wear one on Sundays for church and I couldn't wait to get home to change into jeans...I would never have worn female clothes unless forced to...so there must be something more to it in their minds, yet I can't see any articles or interviews where they comment on anything else..it's confusing...

Ah right, I had only read the story in the OP.

I dont think wanting to dress as a boy means the child actually wants to be a boy at all. I hated dresses and such and I didnt turn out to be transgendered. On the other hand, my brother liked to dress up in my grandmothers clothes..he hasnt turned out to be trans either, or a crossdresser. Kids will be kids. I think its ridiculous to 'diagnose' a 6 year old as transgender, I really do. I want to know why the parents would even consider taking the child to a psychiatrist at that age to begin with tbh

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, I would have said the same..I only had one 'girlfriend' and all of the other people I hung out with were my brothers and their friends and I did get bought 'female' gifts, like a Barbie and typewriter and stuff, but I hardly ever really played with them, compared to doing 'boy stuff'..climbing trees, making dens etc..I would much rather have been a boy and I think I probably did think of myself as a boy because when they would say..oh, you can't do this etc, because you're a girl...I would get really annoyed, because I never thought of myself as a girl...this is what confuses me about Coy and her parents because they seem quite hung up on the clothes thing and the sort of toys he/she prefers playing with...that's all they ever mention...plus obviously, the toilet thing...

Yeah, the problem is with societies view of how girls and boys should act and what toys they should and shouldn't play with. Now, maybe I'm wrong and this is a genuine case but I do find it hard to believe at that young an age that a child would really know this. And I'm saying that as a person who's been that age and as a mother of two kids who were that age.

[Livia]

When my eldest niece was six, she wanted to be a unicorn.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Livia

When my eldest niece was six, she wanted to be a unicorn.

Was she permitted to use a unicorn-assigned toilet facility?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

When my eldest niece was six, she wanted to be a unicorn.