[Jarrod]

Originally Posted by Patrick

I'm sorry - but if you honestly think that Hello Charlie, a company that big - decided to base their whole business show reel, to show the 'new era' of Big Brother, then you're slightly deluded.

And if you think a company who are behind the BB12/13/14 logos would be so biased to like their OLD work then you're slightly deluded. Nowhere did I say the entire show reel was dedicated to Big Brother's new era. The Big Brother section goes in chronological order to Celebrity Big Brother 8's eye at the end of the BB section before moving on.

Hello Charlie are the ones who are responsible for the titles and the clouds etc they have a say in it.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Jarrod

And if you think a company who are behind the BB12/13/14 logos would be so biased to like their OLD work then you're slightly deluded. Nowhere did I say the entire show reel was dedicated to Big Brother's new era. The Big Brother section goes in chronological order to Celebrity Big Brother 8's eye at the end of the BB section before moving on.

Hello Charlie are the ones who are responsible for the titles and the clouds etc they have a say in it.

No they don't - at all.

The creative team at Channel 5/Endemol decide what they want in the titles - give them to Hello Charlie, and they do the work. I'm not saying the company doesn't LIKE their work now - but it's clear they're obviously much more proud of their earlier stuff for Big Brother, when they had the freedom to go crazy on the titles because of the variety that Eatock's eye designs always had.

Do you seriously think Hello Charlie, in 2011 just decided [after all their excellent work the previous years] that it would be a wonderful idea to add fluffy clouds to the eye?

They have to take what they're given. They were given a sh*te logo to base their titles on (I mean just look at the BB12 Eye) and there wasn't an awful lot they could go on.

Plus, I think it was Endemol's move actually - as oppose to Channel 5, to have the housemates faces show up in the titles, considering it happens in the majority of other countries apart from a few. It wouldn't surprise me that Endemol was behind that change, and Hello Charlie were hardly going to tell Endemol (a company who has paid them a considerable amount of money since BB6) - to go and ****** themselves, and refuse their pitched ideas/instructions.

[Jarrod]

Originally Posted by Patrick

No they don't - at all.

The creative team at Channel 5/Endemol decide what they want in the titles - give them to Hello Charlie, and they do the work. I'm not saying the company doesn't LIKE their work now - but it's clear they're obviously much more proud of their earlier stuff for Big Brother, when they had the freedom to go crazy on the titles because of the variety that Eatock's eye designs always had.

Do you seriously think Hello Charlie, in 2011 just decided [after all their excellent work the previous years] that it would be a wonderful idea to add fluffy clouds to the eye?

They have to take what they're given. They were given a sh*te logo to base their titles on (I mean just look at the BB12 Eye) and there wasn't an awful lot they could go on.

Plus, I think it was Endemol's move actually - as oppose to Channel 5, to have the housemates faces show up in the titles, considering it happens in the majority of other countries apart from a few. It wouldn't surprise me that Endemol was behind that change, and Hello Charlie were hardly going to tell Endemol (a company who has paid them a considerable amount of money since BB6) - to go and ****** themselves, and refuse their pitched ideas/instructions.

Hello Charlie are behind the new eyes and have teamed up with the creative team at Channel 5 and it says so in the press release for the reveal of the CBB8/BB12 eye:

It was created by Channel 5’s in-house creative team and branding specialists Hello Charlie.

And again for Big Brother 13 - the eye release:

It was created by Channel 5’s in-house creative team and branding specialists Hello Charlie.

They basically work with Channel 5's creative team and design what they think is good enough for television. They decide what happens with the titles too I mean it even says so in the eye embargo from 2011.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Patrick

It wouldn't surprise me that Endemol was behind that change, and Hello Charlie were hardly going to tell Endemol (a company who has paid them a considerable amount of money since BB6) - to go and ****** themselves, and refuse their pitched ideas/instructions.

In the real world, there are ways of disagreeing with people and having a difference of opinion without telling them to go "******" themselves.

If Hello Charlie disagreed with anyone's ideas, they would say so, it's part of the whole creative process. Hello Charlie are hired to work with the channel 5 team and are paid to give their ideas/opinions.

Which makes it highly doubtful Hello Charlie would be embarrassed or ashamed of any designs from the channel 5 era. They are partly responsible for it whether you like it or not.

[kingston]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

In the real world, there are ways of disagreeing with people and having a difference of opinion without telling them to go "******" themselves.

If Hello Charlie disagreed with anyone's ideas, they would say so, it's part of the whole creative process. Hello Charlie are hired to work with the channel 5 team and are paid to give their ideas/opinions.

Which makes it highly doubtful Hello Charlie would be embarrassed or ashamed of any designs from the channel 5 era. They are partly responsible for it whether you like it or not.

Exactly... When contracts are awarded they are usually awarded based on the companies expertise in a particular area...

C5 more than likely presents Hello Charlie with a list of ideas and the designers will let them know what will work and what won't... I may be wrong but Hello Charlie are paid to bring their design expertise to any project they are working on... It would be silly to suggest they would be unhappy with the work they are producing...

It would also be fair to say that with a resume like HC has, if they felt C5 were too difficult to work with or were unhappy with the relationship they could easily walk away and find work elsewhere... Regardless of how much they are being paid...