[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

If only Martin Luther King, the Suffragettes and all those other wistful PC-Brigade Marching Band Dreamers shared your insight....

When we cease to try to better ourselves, our only option is decline.

what a great post

[smeagol]

how is this thread still going lol

bb were wrong gina was pathetic and a disgrace. the world has gone mad. you will never win the race card game. thats why its played the card beats every card in the deck .and defeats all form of justified logic.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by smeagol

how is this thread still going lol

bb were wrong gina was pathetic and a disgrace. the world has gone mad. you will never win the race card game. thats why its played the card beats every card in the deck .and defeats all form of justified logic.

This what I came in here to say. Get out of my head smeagol...

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Livia

This what I came in here to say. Get out of my head smeagol...

lol i might try mind control - paypal me 10 billion repeat 20 times in head lol

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

I do get why it may seem that her innocent faux-pas is being beaten to death, but it is quite a topical issue at present and changing a generation's perspective has to start with changing an individual's perspective. Interracial relationships have been fought for, and there has been significant sacrifice to challenge engraved opposition. You used the term "acknowledging", which I would have no issue with, but in Jemima's case, she was assuming, which has a more negative connotation. Take for example the racist tide of hatred spurred by the recent cheerios ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OtFRFgqHto

Wow thanks for posting this, what a disgusting set of responses to their campaign.
Like you I feel she simply was crushingly insensitive and a clear case of foot in mouth, the word racist is bandied around too frequently when there are comments like this.
To label someone a racist for one unintentional remark is really unacceptable too.

[sampvt]

Here is a question for all these so called cyber warriors that champion Ginas cause......How many of you would date and marry a person that was directly opposed to your own race.......Only you know that answer, so do you now view yourself as a racist. Food for thought eh. Now close this thread it is going nowhere apart from offering the so called politically correct brigade a platform to spout crap from.

Originally Posted by sampvt

Here is a question for all these so called cyber warriors that champion Ginas cause......How many of you would date and marry a person that was directly opposed to your own race.......Only you know that answer, so do you now view yourself as a racist. Food for thought eh. Now close this thread it is going nowhere apart from offering the so called politically correct brigade a platform to spout crap from.

What does "directly opposed to your own race" even mean?

I've never been out with a black girl, but I've been out with a couple of mixed race girls, a Pakistani, an Egyptian, and possibly the woman with the palest skin on earth (ginger).

It's not about being part of the politically correct brigade, but rather the need to disperse with some of the inherently racist language we still use today. The tone of your post identifies for me where your real views on race lie. It's not politically correct to disagree with you, it's completely reactionary to agree with you.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

What does "directly opposed to your own race" even mean?

I've never been out with a black girl, but I've been out with a couple of mixed race girls, a Pakistani, an Egyptian, and possibly the woman with the palest skin on earth (ginger).

It's not about being part of the politically correct brigade, but rather the need to disperse with some of the inherently racist language we still use today. The tone of your post identifies for me where your real views on race lie. It's not politically correct to disagree with you, it's completely reactionary to agree with you.

So by your own admission you have not been out with a black girl, by definition of what we are discussing, you are then a racist as am I (according to those that seem to know better than us) We both know this is crap as we are allowed to make a choice and both you and I are not racists, but there are some on here that think we are. How stupid is this thread and ginas actions by definition.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Here is a question for all these so called cyber warriors that champion Ginas cause......How many of you would date and marry a person that was directly opposed to your own race.......Only you know that answer, so do you now view yourself as a racist. Food for thought eh. Now close this thread it is going nowhere apart from offering the so called politically correct brigade a platform to spout crap from.

Where is it written that the races are opposed?....
This is a really strange comment sam, not sure what you mean here.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where is it written that the races are opposed?....
This is a really strange comment sam, not sure what you mean here.

What I meant was if you were a white British male would you date a black African princess or if you were a Chinese person would you date an aboriginal girl or a girl well outside your races beliefs and parameters.

I think most readers get my drift without my comments giving the race police another excuse to spout crap about my analysis of race.

[fruit_cake]

I've dated people who weren't the same race or nationality as me, I never really saw the issue..I guess I must be a racist, because I calculatingly knew they weren't the same race as me or something.

Originally Posted by sampvt

So by your own admission you have not been out with a black girl, by definition of what we are discussing, you are then a racist as am I (according to those that seem to know better than us) We both know this is crap as we are allowed to make a choice and both you and I are not racists, but there are some on here that think we are. How stupid is this thread and ginas actions by definition.

But I don't class black people as being "directly opposed to my own race". I was just giving an overview to show that I have no issues with dating anyone of any race. I'd happily date a black girl if I could find one desperate enough to go out with me.

I don't think the incident in BB was racist, but I think the phrase "you probably wouldn't date a white guy" is inherently racist. That's not to say she's racist for using it, but it shows deeply held opinions of people who haven't moved in to this century yet, and still rely on tired old stereotypes from the 70's, or have difficulty expressing their opinions correctly.

I can see how older people would have issues with the language, as I imagine living through the cross over would be difficult. My Grandma was a vicious racist who would have sent them all back on the boat if she'd had her way. Fortunately, she was just a country dweller from middle England, worried about difference and "the other".

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

But I don't class black people as being "directly opposed to my own race". I was just giving an overview to show that I have no issues with dating anyone of any race. I'd happily date a black girl if I could find one desperate enough to go out with me.

I don't think the incident in BB was racist, but I think the phrase "you probably wouldn't date a white guy" is inherently racist. That's not to say she's racist for using it, but it shows deeply held opinions of people who haven't moved in to this century yet, and still rely on tired old stereotypes from the 70's, or have difficulty expressing their opinions correctly.

I can see how older people would have issues with the language, as I imagine living through the cross over would be difficult. My Grandma was a vicious racist who would have sent them all back on the boat if she'd had her way. Fortunately, she was just a country dweller from middle England, worried about difference and "the other".

Is that not a racist comment. Goes both ways mate. I am old but not yet senile and I have my views. The difference nowadays is we are not allowed to air them. Yet most still think them.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Is that not a racist comment. Goes both ways mate. I am old but not yet senile and I have my views. The difference nowadays is we are not allowed to air them. Yet most still think them.

spot on

Originally Posted by sampvt

Is that not a racist comment. Goes both ways mate. I am old but not yet senile and I have my views. The difference nowadays is we are not allowed to air them. Yet most still think them.

In what possible universe could that be classed as racist?

That's exactly what I was getting at - I don't think those things. However, it's clear that you do, and you resent having to play "politically correct" linguistic games to avoid revealing yourself for what you truly are.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

What I meant was if you were a white British male would you date a black African princess or if you were a Chinese person would you date an aboriginal girl or a girl well outside your races beliefs and parameters.

I think most readers get my drift without my comments giving the race police another excuse to spout crap about my analysis of race.

That probably is a definition of racism sam...
There are no all encompassing beliefs and parameters, we are all individuals.
If you were suggesting specific physical features then maybe I could see your point, otherwise I really don't sorry.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Is that not a racist comment. Goes both ways mate. I am old but not yet senile and I have my views. The difference nowadays is we are not allowed to air them. Yet most still think them.

I agree with the principle of the 'it goes two ways' idea, but the practice I'm not so sure about.

The problem with that is that we live in a country where the demographic is skewed hugely in favour of the 'white-caucasian' majority. It's far more intimidating being subjected to something when you are in a minority than when you are in a majority, even if that 'thing' that is being used is the same.

Intimidating a minority, is easier than intimidating a majority, and so the theory doesn't equal the practice. imo.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

In what possible universe could that be classed as racist?

That's exactly what I was getting at - I don't think those things. However, it's clear that you do, and you resent having to play "politically correct" linguistic games to avoid revealing yourself for what you truly are.

How arrogant is someone who thinks theirs is the only opinion that counts ? we ALL have our opinions

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

How arrogant is someone who thinks theirs is the only opinion that counts ? we ALL have our opinions

Some opinions on race reside on the wrong side of enlightenment, morality, humanity, and history.

[Vicky.]

A poster on DS said this about the 'goes both ways' thing. I agree 100% with what they said. They managed to get across what they meant without sounding aggressive, or bitter, or anything like that.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=1130


As for dating someone 'directly opposed to my own race'...I have. I do not champion Ginas cause at all, I think she was bang out of order to scream racism. But some posts in this thread are questionable at the very best.

I disagree about the accent part for one very simple reason - there was an entertainment industry that existed within the UK, that existed purely by imitating and mocking people of different races.

Shows like "the black and white minstrel show", the stream of racist accents thrown around by comedians like Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning, and the way Hollywood would rather black face white people up than use black actors.

That's the historical (recent) context that has to be acknowledged. I also disagree with Gina's claim of racism, but funny accents of funny people was a staple in inequality in this country (and across the west) for a long long time.

Youtube video

[GiRTh]

Is this thread still on topic? Looks like it went off ages ago and its the usual suspects spouting their usual outrage.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

A poster on DS said this about the 'goes both ways' thing. I agree 100% with what they said. They managed to get across what they meant without sounding aggressive, or bitter, or anything like that.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=1130


As for dating someone 'directly opposed to my own race'...I have. I do not champion Ginas cause at all, I think she was bang out of order to scream racism. But some posts in this thread are questionable at the very best.

Thanks for the link Vicky, that poster really did have an excellent perception of what progressive really does and should mean.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Some opinions on race reside on the wrong side of enlightenment, morality, humanity, and history.

And whos to choose what is right and wrong ?

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

And whos to choose what is right and wrong ?

You make your own choice, Chuff. However, when it comes to history, then the views of Sam (and possibly yourself - I don't really know what your full views on race are, other than the fact you've defended Sam whilst I was having a discussion with him) are being consigned to history.