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Old 08-07-2013, 04:14 PM #1
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No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.
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No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.
I agree, all he wants is to go down in history as the 1st president of scotland.
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No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.


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This has been my opinion of him for years my experiences with him are not good. He shut down the paper mill industry in Scotland, he'll make all the people working at Trident unemployed which affects some of my friends' families; the guy just wants to be the first leader of an independent Scotland. Surely the flag stunt at Wimbledon couldn't have made that any more obvious? Trying to turn a sporting triumph into a political statement. Bored of him.
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No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.
You do realise though that if we were to gain independence, salmons wouldn't automatically run the show? We'd have a general election to choose who'd run the country just the same ad we do now..

It's not just the SNP who are for independence; I was at a meeting recently chaired by the local "Scottish labour for independence" group.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely
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You do realise though that if we were to gain independence, salmons wouldn't automatically run the show? We'd have a general election to choose who'd run the country just the same ad we do now..

It's not just the SNP who are for independence; I was at a meeting recently chaired by the local "Scottish labour for independence" group.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely

Well Said Lee
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Your definitely right with that statement jaja.
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You do realise though that if we were to gain independence, salmons wouldn't automatically run the show? We'd have a general election to choose who'd run the country just the same ad we do now..

It's not just the SNP who are for independence; I was at a meeting recently chaired by the local "Scottish labour for independence" group.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely
No, but if we gained independence, why on earth wouldn't he hold onto power? It's turned into a cult of personality; Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon vs... well, nothing, because this is a non-issue. Scotland is not a repressed nation. Independence movements have to be grass roots to be effective. We are not living in a USSR or a Yugoslavia; we're living in the UK where we have all our rights. People aren't overly bothered because we've never had to be. If we were being bombed or being murdered for being Scottish, then this campaign would have a lot of traction behind it, but as it is, it's a fat man with a Cheshire cat grin on his face trying to stir up emotions that just don't exist, not really. I don't doubt that there are a lot of people who want independence for perfectly valid reasons; but at the heart of it, most people in Scotland won't see a huge change in their way of life, if any change at all, in the event of an independent Scotland. We won't suddenly become richer or more free or better off in any obvious way. For every "but we'd gain this!" point they've reeled off, I can think of a "but we'd lose that" point to counter it.

His campaign is artificial, it's not real. The people of Scotland do not want this. He didn't become the figurehead of a popular movement; he's a little man with a knack for provoking people, as all good politicians should, but I personally don't think people care enough about this. I'd laugh if turnout was so low on the day that the referendum had to be cancelled . I'll be voting no on the day. If another politician were to come around ten, fifteen years down the line, and for all the right reasons wanted Scottish independence, I'd perhaps view things differently. I'm wholly unimpressed at the smear campaigns Salmond's party have been running to try and convince voters. Dubbing staying in the UK "Project Fear" and all this ****e - are they for real? It's so juvenile. It says a lot about their campaigning that they're resorting to insults rather than, you know, focusing on what they should be doing.
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