[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by anne666

Reading some of the comments on here suggests sad cheap porn viewing by many.

lol it certainly does

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

This is a forum and within the rules people can say anything to one another. Telling someone to reassess their lives because they try to justify abuse, well that seems perfectly acceptable to me.

Maybe if the guys supporting Daley, thought of their sisters or moms being pinned and almost headbutted, well maybe then they would reassess their opinion on what happened.

I don't think anybody is justifying abuse though, rather if they believe it to be abuse in the first place. Which is up to interpretation.

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.

while i agree with that.. aha.
I'm sure if they were having sex.. and he didn't say he'd nut her one, it wouldn't have ended this badly, he wasn't planning to have sex with her, i honestly feared for her safety.

[YodaBB]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

I don't think anybody is justifying abuse though, rather if they believe it to be abuse in the first place. Which is up to interpretation.

I don't think it is up for interruption to be fair, holding anybody, male or female to their neck & threatening to nut them (headbutt them) in such an aggressive way is abuse. Especially with his head closing in on hers

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Pedantic really? People grab eachother by the throat and threaten to "nut them" whilst "courting" in your world, do they? ...............

This is me reading TIBB and discovering a subculture of sexual violence.

Youtube video

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Welcome to TiBB, great first post

Thank you!!

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

This is me reading TIBB and discovering a subculture of sexual violence.

Youtube video

The internet is a wonderful thing LOL

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

This is me reading TIBB and discovering a subculture of sexual violence.

Youtube video

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

This is me reading TIBB and discovering a subculture of sexual violence.

Youtube video

You should read the BBUK twitter feed.

[Tribal Spaceman]

I don't think anyone is condoning aggressive behaviour or violence. Many of us simply don't believe that situation was 'real', that's all.

Without going into details I've experienced domestic abuse myself, and I honestly didn't see anything in Hazel's body language to suggest she was actually frightened of Daley. Nothing anyone says on here will convince me otherwise, so I'm not going to waste time on here arguing with you fine folk about it. I'd rather talk about Queen Gina, to be honest.

This should be Hazel's eviction song.

Youtube video

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

I don't think anyone is condoning aggressive behaviour or violence. Many of us simply don't believe that situation was 'real', that's all.

Without going into details I've experienced domestic abuse myself, and I honestly didn't see anything in Hazel's body language to suggest she was actually frightened of Daley. Nothing anyone says on here will convince me otherwise, so I'm not going to waste time on here arguing with you fine folk about it. I'd rather talk about Queen Gina, to be honest.

This should be Hazel's eviction song.

Youtube video

No one needs to convince you. Legally, he assaulted her. There isn't anything else to say.

[Novo]

i think there might be something else to say

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

I don't think anyone is condoning aggressive behaviour or violence. Many of us simply don't believe that situation was 'real', that's all.

Without going into details I've experienced domestic abuse myself, and I honestly didn't see anything in Hazel's body language to suggest she was actually frightened of Daley. Nothing anyone says on here will convince me otherwise, so I'm not going to waste time on here arguing with you fine folk about it. I'd rather talk about Queen Gina, to be honest.

This should be Hazel's eviction song.

Youtube video

Just wanted to see what song it was.


*Now I've seen it.

Wow - really clever.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Novo

i think there might be something else to say

What I meant by that statement is, there is no defence against striking someone.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

I really doubt there was any intention to harm. Not a Daley fan at all, but the bit that swayed it for me was when, standing above her, he stops to ask if she wants him to be aggressive, clarifying beforehand that he'd never hit her, as though saying "I'm all bark and no bite". She in turn then eggs him on as though sexually excited by it all. Not to everyone's taste, and people may understandably not be fans of domination and the like, but he seemed to be establishing safety in what is otherwise aggressive foreplay.

This...

[reece(:]

Was it ****** aggressive foreplay.....

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Was it ****** aggressive foreplay.....

What, in your experience, is aggressive foreplay then?

[optimisticcynic]

"She was being playful", "she was trying to control a dangerous situation", and my fave , "he assaulted her - FACT".
He was trying to go to sleep - what out of control situation was she rescuing from this "aggressor" by robbing his duvet and taunting him? She also hit him first but when he slaps her arse, that's where the counter begins. Of course it may have hurt. He's built like a brick sh&&house - drunken flirting arse slapping will likely be overdone but not necessarily maliciously. She also sexually assaulted him and pulled down his pants but let's ignore that. She also moved as though to headbutt him when she said she didn't fear aggressive men and would finish him quicker. He reciprocates like a bellend, and he's suddenly posterboy for "domestic abuse". Ridiculous. They both got carried away, were pretty irresponsible considering the clear emotional loading of watchers of the show and they should both be out. And would the histrionic amongst us please stop claiming everyone else is justifying abuse. Noone is. We're mostly saying we're unconvinced this was actually intent to harm, but sexual roleplay gone wrong and planned very badly. P.S I can't stand either of them anyway.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

What, in your experience, is aggressive foreplay then?

Anyone, kinky or not, knows that using a horrid tone and saying deep threats before clutching at someone's neck is not in anyway a sexual advance. The only foreplay was coming from Hazel (evident from Daley acting strange when he swore on his child's life) and that ceased when she realised he was acting menacing.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Anyone, kinky or not, knows that using a horrid tone and saying deep threats before clutching at someone's neck is not in anyway a sexual advance. The only foreplay was coming from Hazel (evident from Daley acting strange when he swore on his child's life) and that ceased when she realised he was acting menacing.

Remarkable assumption but an invalid one. Lots of people associate aggression with sex and have very fulfilling existences. You may not approve/partake or even run in such circles but it doesn't make them bad/good. Problem arises when tastes distinctly differ.

[Soniamad]

It is sad to read o many lame excuses made for this guy. Hazel most certainly behaved badly. She has behaved badly throughout. But here is the key difference, and I ask all of you who equate his behaviour with hers to think on this. Daley used his size and strength in attempting to physically intimidate another person. Regardless of gender, regardless of what happened before, no civilized society should ever tolerate that behaviour. If we do, we are no better than animals.

It is very disheartening to see that so many people can't understand that simple point. Indeed Daley himself feels that he doesn't even have to apologise to Hazel, but rather to the viewers. Anybody who saw the true error in their ways would admit that there was NO EXCUSE for what he did.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Remarkable assumption but an invalid one. Lots of people associate aggression with sex and have very fulfilling existences. You may not approve/partake or even run in such circles but it doesn't make them bad/good. Problem arises when tastes distinctly differ.

If you took Daley's assault on Hazel as aggressive foreplay then I think you've been watching too many homemade DVDs.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Anyone, kinky or not, knows that using a horrid tone and saying deep threats before clutching at someone's neck is not in anyway a sexual advance

So you have no personal experience then. Thought not.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Soniamad

It is sad to read o many lame excuses made for this guy. Hazel most certainly behaved badly. She has behaved badly throughout. But here is the key difference, and I ask all of you who equate his behaviour with hers to think on this. Daley used his size and strength in attempting to physically intimidate another person. Regardless of gender, regardless of what happened before, no civilized society should ever tolerate that behaviour. If we do, we are no better than animals.

It is very disheartening to see that so many people can't understand that simple point. Indeed Daley himself feels that he doesn't even have to apologise to Hazel, but rather to the viewers. Anybody who saw the true error in their ways would admit that there was NO EXCUSE for what he did.

There is nothing he can do that would ever make him smaller or weaker than Hazel so he's pretty much damned from the get-go. And in the context of sexual roleplay, of course he'd use that to dominate her. It's his physical size and strength that she was likely drawn to. Never saw her draping herself over Dexter. In fact if I remember correctly she was mocking his physique to Daley when Dexter streaked.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Remarkable assumption but an invalid one. Lots of people associate aggression with sex and have very fulfilling existences. You may not approve/partake or even run in such circles but it doesn't make them bad/good. Problem arises when tastes distinctly differ.

but there has to be some sort of understanding and agreement between the two people that sort of thing is about to take place. Both parties would have to want that. Daley can not act that way, without some sort of understanding that Hazel wants him to. And I saw no encouragement from her for him to act that way