[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by reece(:

If you took Daley's assault on Hazel as aggressive foreplay then I think you've been watching too many homemade DVDs.

Your dislike of sexual practices or interests does not make them disappear.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

but there has to be some sort of understanding and agreement between the two people that sort of thing is about to take place. Both parties would have to want that. Daley can not act that way, without some sort of understanding that Hazel wants him to. And I saw no encouragement from her for him to act that way

Hi Roy. That's the part, in my opinion, where dexter asked if she wanted him to be aggressive, whilst clearly adding "I'd never actually hit you though but it can be really scary" to which Hazel replied "go for it". They foolishly had still not clarified what each person had envisioned when consenting, but stupidity, lust, alcohol and the fact that they were still pretending it was platonic precluded this.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

So you have no personal experience then. Thought not.

Well you're the only one on here that perceives Daley's violent act as that, says more about you than anyone else.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Well you're the only one on here that perceives Daley's violent act as that, says more about you than anyone else.

Clearly untrue, even if you only read every fifteenth post.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Clearly untrue, even if you only read every fifteenth post.

Name the fifteen+ people then.. ? #HopAboardTheDelusionTrain

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

So you have no personal experience then. Thought not.

I see you trying to pass this off as some kind of sexual deviance, daley made no reference to that tonight so why are you still purporting that fallacy?

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Name the fifteen+ people then.. ? #HopAboardTheDelusionTrain

Reece, I can't have a discussion with you if you're not even reading what I write but responding to a conversation you believe we're having.
Kizzy, he's maintained that they were playfighting. Of course the muppet's not going to admit what's clearly been going on - he still claims to love Katie and probably thinks he can win her back. How many good looking, sexually abstinent adults "play fight" without a sexual connotation? This question is rhetorical Reece, so no need to google.

[optimisticcynic]

Sorry, kizzy. It's only a deviance to those that don't like it.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see you trying to pass this off as some kind of sexual deviance, daley made no reference to that tonight so why are you still purporting that fallacy?

I have not used the term deviance at any stage.

Methink some people are reading words which aren't there!

[reece(:]

Good lord, never heard such bull**** asinine replies in all my life, atleast try and add to the debate instead of trolling such irrelevant turd about sexual play that only you and Daley seem to apparently know about but are holding in.

[Kizzy]

So what you are saying is you think katie would be more reassured thinking he attacked hazel than if it was some weird sex frolic?....
I despair I really do.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Good lord, never heard such bull**** asinine replies in all my life, atleast try and add to the debate instead of trolling such irrelevant turd about sexual play that only you and Daley seem to apparently know about but are holding in.

I still await an original valid thought from you Reece, but rest assured I am confident it will one day come. There are more names that share the opinion but maybe reading two posts has exhausted you. Bless.
Kizzy, Daley has never shown himself to be bright, as portrayed by his belief that noone would see through his "friendship" with Hazel, as well as the fact he's claiming to love a girlfriend he denied only days after cavorting with Hazel under a duvet. My impression from his crappy interview is that relationship salvage is main focus presently, and then couple interviews about his "ordeal under Hazel's spell" will then follow. Baffled that Katie seems to be playing along.

[reece(:]

Evidence the names then??? Another resident bull****ter in our midsts it seems.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Evidence the names then??? Another resident bull****ter in our midsts it seems.

You are very exhausting but I will explain why you are misguided. You told Habard he was the only person on the forum with his view, and I pointed out this was false as there are many of us that while not supporting Daley are able to give him the benefit of the doubt. He was stupid to think his behaviour was appropriate but that doesn't make him an abuser. My statement to you was that there is one such opinion expressed regularly in this thread, hence the nature of debate. Read my post again. I never said there are fifteen people which you are somehow clinging to. Hence my comment if you're not even reading what is written by others, how can you offer valid debate?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

but there has to be some sort of understanding and agreement between the two people that sort of thing is about to take place. Both parties would have to want that. Daley can not act that way, without some sort of understanding that Hazel wants him to. And I saw no encouragement from her for him to act that way

Exactly and they weren't having sex or leading into having sex, he even said in his interview that he was annoyed, not once did he mention it was sexual or role playing.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Not defending Daley, seems he was fairly kicked out, but if somebody has a different opinion on the situation they ".. need to seriously re-assess their life."? ... really?

Would've been branded as a ridiculous thread had someone lesser well liked posted it.

Did I seriously get an infraction for calling Samuel. an idiot in response to this? I've seen far worse insults thrown around this site.

[amu]

Daleys physical actions were totally unnacceptable, we can all agree on that.

[Shaun]

^...

lol

I just despair. I really do.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Lily's popularity has nothing to do with this.

What Daley did was wrong, it's not something open to interpretation, like people having different opinions on a painting. This act, his threatening to headbutt her and jerking his forehead towards her face while she is pinned by his hand on her throat, is not acceptable in society.

People who condone it or try to justify it are in the wrong. If a thread like this helps people re-evaluate their stance on the subject then it's one of the best threads on the subject here.

No, most of you see those people as wrong. Everyone has differing opinions, and yes, they may not be in the majority but still does not make their opinion wrong. We all interpret things differently, you of all people should be aware of that and I thought you would be more accepting of differing opinions.

And this goes to everyone. Again, I am not condoning what Daley did, but this slating and slagging off those that are not seeing the same opinions as most of you is ridiculous and had this been any other subject, a lot more would be done about it (that is not a dig at the mods btw).

[tonster76]

I thought Hazel said, "I'm not afraid" and "come on then". That is after she pulled his pants down and asked him to get into her bed many times

[the truth]

Originally Posted by amu

Daleys physical actions were totally unnacceptable, we can all agree on that.

yes everyone here does agree,,a lot of her actions were also unacceptable a lot will agree on that to

[Northern Monkey]

They were both to blame,She inflamed the situation by trying to make him look stupid on TV but he should have just pulled her pants down instead of getting all freaky deaky like he did.

[WozMan]

Originally Posted by amu

Daleys physical actions were totally unnacceptable, we can all agree on that.

I agree that his physical actions if done with any malicious or controlling intent or without the permission of the recipient is absolutely wrong.

I also believe that Hazel was STILL laughing and smiling even after Daley put his hand around her throat. In fact it she was saying something to Daley in a relaxed manner while BB was calling Daley to the DR. My considered opinion is that hazel was relaxed until BB called Daly to the DR. It is also my opinion that she gave Daly permission to be sexually aggressive. This was a good step up from mere play fighting of course. My opinion is that it is consentual bondage 'play'

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ben

No, most of you see those people as wrong. Everyone has differing opinions, and yes, they may not be in the majority but still does not make their opinion wrong. We all interpret things differently, you of all people should be aware of that and I thought you would be more accepting of differing opinions.

And this goes to everyone. Again, I am not condoning what Daley did, but this slating and slagging off those that are not seeing the same opinions as most of you is ridiculous and had this been any other subject, a lot more would be done about it (that is not a dig at the mods btw).

Well said Ben,and I like your boxers btw

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by WozMan

I agree that his physical actions if done with any malicious or controlling intent or without the permission of the recipient is absolutely wrong.

I also believe that Hazel was STILL laughing and smiling even after Daley put his hand around her throat. In fact it she was saying something to Daley in a relaxed manner while BB was calling Daley to the DR. My considered opinion is that hazel was relaxed until BB called Daly to the DR. It is also my opinion that she gave Daly permission to be sexually aggressive. This was a good step up from mere play fighting of course. My opinion is that it is consentual bondage 'play'

They never even slept together, it certainly wasn't leading up to them having sex and Daley admitted that he was annoyed and drink fueled so I think we can safely say that it wasn't "consentual bondage 'play'"