[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Videostar

It's fickle if the reasons to stop supporting a HM are poor.

The reasons I've seen in the last day or two for some to stop supporting Dexter have been pathetic, one person in here even said they are now supporting Hazel instead of Dexter...which is insane.

Others who "claim" to have supported Dexter but now have gone off him never supported him in the first place, they are just attempting to start an anti Dexter bandwagon going.

lol why is that insane?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Videostar

It's fickle if the reasons to stop supporting a HM are poor.

The reasons I've seen in the last day or two for some to stop supporting Dexter have been pathetic, one person in here even said they are now supporting Hazel instead of Dexter...which is insane.

Others who "claim" to have supported Dexter but now have gone off him never supported him in the first place, they are just attempting to start an anti Dexter bandwagon going.

Hiya!

In an insane world, the sane people will always seem crazy. I've even said that I've not abandonned Dexter, he's still up there, 2nd or 3rd (I'm starting to like Dan more, I initially couldn't stand him) and have even started the ever popular Hexter movement.

But, my reasons are sound! Dexter in the first weeks, and in the safehouse, was inspired. A real gem of a housemate, true entertainment. Then he came out and started the Charlie thing which is just awful. I don't want to see it, I can't be bothered with it, it's boring and it's his entire "plotline" right now. He's orchestrated it to be so but it was a bad judgement call, it's made him look stupid. Hazel called him on it, was blunt about it and observant, tried to help him out, and also triggered the "showstopper" of Callum vs Jackie. This used to be Dexters role. The observation, the savviness, the honesty and the ability to be a catalyst for good viewing. It's not an insane switch between the two... it's perfectly rational! They are very similar people, and she currently has the edge.

He just needs to realise the error of his ways, cut off the useless Charlie angle, and get on with some Hexter plotting.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hiya!

In an insane world, the sane people will always seem crazy. I've even said that I've not abandonned Dexter, he's still up there, 2nd or 3rd (I'm starting to like Dan more, I initially couldn't stand him) and have even started the ever popular Hexter movement.

But, my reasons are sound! Dexter in the first weeks, and in the safehouse, was inspired. A real gem of a housemate, true entertainment. Then he came out and started the Charlie thing which is just awful. I don't want to see it, I can't be bothered with it, it's boring and it's his entire "plotline" right now. He's orchestrated it to be so but it was a bad judgement call, it's made him look stupid. Hazel called him on it, was blunt about it and observant, tried to help him out, and also triggered the "showstopper" of Callum vs Jackie. This used to be Dexters role. The observation, the savviness, the honesty and the ability to be a catalyst for good viewing. It's not an insane switch between the two... it's perfectly rational! They are very similar people, and she currently has the edge.

He just needs to realise the error of his ways, cut off the useless Charlie angle, and get on with some Hexter plotting.

They're great observations actually and I can't understand anyone accusing you of being fickle when you clearly have proper reasons for that choice. I think Hazel and Dexter are actually very similar in some respects but the problem is people alot of times only seem to like those qualities in male HMs and not female for some reason

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They're great observations actually and I can't understand anyone accusing you of being fickle when you clearly have proper reasons for that choice. I think Hazel and Dexter are actually very similar in some respects but the problem is people alot of times only seem to like those qualities in male HMs and not female for some reason

It's a common double standard... men are "cheeky" where women are "bitchy", a man luring away a women from her boyfriend is a "player" where a female doing the same is a "homewrecker" - on the flipside, a girl being lured away from her boyfriend by said player is a "slut", whereas a man lured into cheating by a homewrecking woman is a powerless victim... it's crazy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a common double standard... men are "cheeky" where women are "bitchy", a man luring away a women from her boyfriend is a "player" where a female doing the same is a "homewrecker" - on the flipside, a girl being lured away from her boyfriend by said player is a "slut", whereas a man lured into cheating by a homewrecking woman is a powerless victim... it's crazy.

Yeah I agree with that and to add, people love the fact that Dexter is a game player but hate that Hazel is.

Dexter starts an argument, he's an entertainer game player, Hazel does, she's a nasty s**t stirrer

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I agree with that and to add, people love the fact that Dexter is a game player but hate that Hazel is.

Dexter starts an argument, he's an entertainer game player, Hazel does, she's a nasty s**t stirrer

It is also partly because he's quite unashamed and has openly admitted it from the beginning. Seemed baffling at first but has worked well for him. If hazel had "let the audience in on it" and been as she was in her audition VT in the diary room. I think she would have done better... but these days theyre afraid it'll get played to the house. and rightly so.

It still woukdnt have worked as well for her as for dexter, though. It's worked well for a few men in the past but never for women.

[Withano]

I think its easy to find fault in the ones you dislike and its easy to find brilliance in the ones you already like, but if anybody was to do the opposite and change their favourite, all that would show to me is that they are watching the show objectively and in my opinion, correctly.

[kate2013]

I think Dan will win this. His flapping and interogating was annoying regarding Wolfy, but his opinions appear to be right. Obviously they are spending 24/7 with eachother.

I think Dexter and Gina will come in second and third, although Dexter is trying to fit in at the moment, his far better when he stands alone and doesnt seek to be liked.

Still its all subject to change, seeing the exchange between Callum and Sam pushed Callum up in my estimations right up until he got stuck on the word Soar.

Sams a dark horse. I like him, he helps out, he does miss out on conversations because if his hearing, not saying his the most entertaining but the louder characters are more at risk of causes offense. so yeah opinions can change just watching one episode.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think sticking determinedly to one housemate shows far less integrity, personally. Or rallying against one and making everything they do "evil" whilst ignoring the same actions in others or applauding them - e.g. Gina fans vilifying Hazel for pot stirring. Madness. Gina has had a bigger spoon than any of them and has done it with LESS regard for anyone but herself.

Using Gina as an example of people just sticking, too: I found her entertaining in the safehouse. Certainly not "a good person", but fun. WHAT has she done since then? Absolutely nothing. She's shown everything she's got to show and will be an utter bore until the end now, but still has massive support for no apparent reason. Like I said, it's not even like she's a nice person. She'd not bother to muster up a spit if you were on fire, darling.

I also agree that I tend to side with people when they're being attacked. Hazel might stir and be quite shrewd but I honestly think she's being genuine 70% of the time. She gets slated every time she speaks. it's not even just to support an underdog, the attacks and ridiculous claims often make me observe that person more closely and objectively and then I often find plenty to like.People seem to just make up their mind, and then not give people a chance. THAT is fickle... and bad for the show... because good characters go! Hazel has more to bring now than Gina but Gina will be there until the end.

The abuse that Hazel is receiving is way OTT,and the love for Gina is ridiculous. When she entered the house she said she was struggling to survive on a Ł10k a month handout from her Mum,whilst living in some plush hotel,being waited on hand and foot! She has not changed one iota,and the change of attitude from the viewers is bamboozling,to say the least!?!?!

[CaudleHalbard]

Gina is now seen as broke and living in a council flat with her mum.

That's what may have changed attitudes a bit.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think Sam definitely looks up to Callum like a big brother, and Callum clearly has a genuine soft spot for him. It's nice as there are very few friendships this year. Luke A and Adam's developing friendship was one if the mist subtly enjoyable things last year. Not high drama and explosions, but a real mutual friendship developing over the weeks. In the early seasons lots of real friendships developed... but not any more.

What was absolutely disgusting... was Jackie trying to turn Sam against Callum! They were slatng him and Sam quite sweetly spoke up like "...I don't know what's so bad, I like him " and Jackie basically responded saying that's because he's young and naive, and if he was older and wiser like her he wouldn't like him. Sly! telling a young boy that "if he was more mature and wise" he would ditch a friend.

Very nasty of Jackie! She really has it bad against Callum,when she'd rather Dexter to him. I think it's hilarious that most people can't accept that someone might actually be nice. Not sure how genuine Callum is,but it would be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt!?! I blame Jeremy Kyle,and his ilk,for most peoples cynicism.There are one or two nice people out there!! Or am I naive??

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

I understand that people go off housemates, but one thing that annoys me is when another one of their favourites nominates their favourite, and they go from loving them to hating them :s

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a common double standard... men are "cheeky" where women are "bitchy", a man luring away a women from her boyfriend is a "player" where a female doing the same is a "homewrecker" - on the flipside, a girl being lured away from her boyfriend by said player is a "slut", whereas a man lured into cheating by a homewrecking woman is a powerless victim... it's crazy.

Couldn't agree more! And the double standards are promoted by women,which is bewildering!?!

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Gina is now seen as broke and living in a council flat with her mum.

That's what may have changed attitudes a bit.

But which is the true story?

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Love it ! Objectivity for me.

[Gillian-73]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I see people post this alot when someone changes their mind about who they like. Is it really fickleness or are these people more objective viewers and judge people by their actions in the house and from getting to know them better rather than stubbornly sticking by their chosen HM no matter what they say or do?

What do you think?

I agree with you. I have favourires but I won't pretend they do no wrong just because they're my favourite and I won't stop liking another housemate just because they don't get on with my favourite. I love Dexter but i've gone off him abit lately. Some would say I'm a turncoat, I say I recognise peoples flaws whether I like them or not. Aaron for example, my fave ever, I many a time didn't like something he did or said and I had no problem saying so.