[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Nah, folk would forget or not bother to switch the porn off, which would make the whole thing pointless. If its just switched off everywhere it makes it safer for kids, and those adults who wish to still watch it can arrange it so..

Well if people forgot or didnt bother to switch it off, then they are not too concerned for their kids online safety I would say

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Stick to web search and stay off the image search, you dirty mare.

No let her get Rock Hard


Feel The Force

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I wouldn't have written it if I knew it wasn't true. Provide the studies. I'm not entirely sure what "there have been many studies done some of which maybe helped in this decision?" means.

I am not going to spend time collating information for you, there have been studies into the effects of young people exposed to online porn, and my point was those may have been what prompted the government in their decision to restrict access to online porn.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I appreciate there may be, that said if you google the same word can you be guaranteed not to access an unregulated film?
I was told of a girl yesterday admitted by social services at 14 to a local hospital with iron burns all over her body, trafficked for the sex trade.

Maybe the feeling is reduce the supply reduce the demand I don't know, it may be that it is for child protection services to flag up pedophilia and other sex crimes?
I find it hard to believe this is merely a moral issue.

I don't doubt there is some dodgy unregulated stuff out, that uses underage girls that had no choice, but with so much porn choice these days, the only people who would watch that, are the people who would seek it out to begin with.

The women are the biggest earners in porn. Well, the successful ones anyway, but only the most successful people in any industry earn the big money.

I think it's also an important to seperate the porn industry from sex slave trafficking, and that young girl, while absolutely tragic, is nothing to do with a discussion on the government deciding what you can or can't watch in your free time.

[Jack_]

If anything I expect this filter will lead to more people watching illegal porn. This filter isn't going to change anything, if someone wants to watch porn (and that includes kids), they will find a way. All this is going to do is block the big, well known and trusted porn sites and when you bypass the filter you're going to end up on those dodgy looking sites with some ambiguous looking thumbnails, and instead of closing that tab down, now people are gonna have no choice but to explore the dark depths of such sites.

If you are a parent and don't want your child watching porn, then monitor and restrict their Internet access...it's that simple. The government shouldn't have to step in to prevent piss poor parenting. And like I said, if a kid wants to watch porn they will find a way, this is going to change nothing except curb millions of people's civil liberties. I'm not going to be told this is a good thing, because it isn't.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I am not going to spend time collating information for you, there have been studies into the effects of young people exposed to online porn, and my point was those may have been what prompted the government in their decision to restrict access to online porn.

Do you really credit this government with viewing studies and making rational decisions? I don't. Cameron praising the campaign of the daily mail shows exactly where this has cropped up from. Middle englander outrage.

The day the government starts looking at studies to implement policy, then austerity will be the first thing to go.

[Kazanne]

As long as their intention is to help kids and protect them I am all for it,surely if people are desperate to watch porn they can go rent a DVD,and while they are at it maybe they can block all those nasty videos that pop up on YouTube.for those who feel the need to watch it,just opt IN.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If anything I expect this filter will lead to more people watching illegal porn. This filter isn't going to change anything, if someone wants to watch porn (and that includes kids), they will find a way. All this is going to do is block the big, well known and trusted porn sites and when you bypass the filter you're going to end up on those dodgy looking sites with some ambiguous looking thumbnails, and instead of closing that tab down, now people are gonna have no choice but to explore the dark depths of such sites.

If you are a parent and don't want your child watching porn, then monitor and restrict their Internet access...it's that simple. The government shouldn't have to step in to prevent piss poor parenting. And like I said, if a kid wants to watch porn they will find a way, this is going to change nothing except curb millions of people's civil liberties. I'm not going to be told this is a good thing, because it isn't.

Yes thats expected
they will be sub hunted

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marc

I'll just have to go back to masturbating on the bus

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And the porn block will do nothing to prevent peadophiles from trading and viewing child porn, they'll just find a way around it. It's a poor reason to restrict millions of law abiding citizen's rights and it will ultimately achieve nothing but allow the government a precident in censorship.

Only fools would honestly think that this is a good idea, censorship is never a good idea.

Only fools would not see the potential benefits of children not being able to access porn and the filtering of dangerous pedophile content or images of rape.

[Lee.]

I think the Internet is a wonderful, amazing thing... My daughter sits for hours reading information that I knew nothing about at her age.. Just yesterday she told me all about Queen Victoria then Mary Queen of Scots.. She enjoys doing this more than watching **** on the telly... However, I do think in a lot of ways we have created a monster that is getting bigger and unfriendlier all the time..
The easy access to hardcore porn is one thing, but us parents also have the fear of our children talking to strangers online, people who aren't who they say they are, paedo grooming, teenage pro suicide sites, violent and sick images etc etc ..
I think there has to be some restrictions put in place and I for one am glad that steps are being taken at last

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Only fools would not see the potential benefits of children not being able to access porn and the filtering of dangerous pedophile content or images of rape.

Yes kizzy
Bang On Right

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I think the Internet is a wonderful, amazing thing... My daughter sits for hours reading information that I knew nothing about at her age.. Just yesterday she told me all about Queen Victoria then Mary Queen of Scots.. She enjoys doing this more than watching **** on the telly... However, I do think in a lot of ways we have created a monster that is getting bigger and unfriendlier all the time..
The easy access to hardcore porn is one thing, but us parents also have the fear of our children talking to strangers online, people who aren't who they say they are, paedo grooming, teenage pro suicide sites, violent and sick images etc etc ..
I think there has to be some restrictions put in place and I for one am glad that steps are being taken at last

I agree with all of that and I think alot of parents would tbh

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

As long as their intention is to help kids and protect them I am all for it,surely if people are desperate to watch porn they can go rent a DVD,and while they are at it maybe they can block all those nasty videos that pop up on YouTube.for those who feel the need to watch it,just opt IN.

Why should people who don't have or want children be penalised? Why can't you opt in to have porn blocked on your connection?

It's just selfish and lazy parenting, there's already a plethora of ways to childproof the internet already and parents that are SO concerned about it should look into that instead of throwing away their rights and the rights of others just so they don't have to bother educating themselves on how to protect their own children.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Only fools would not see the potential benefits of children not being able to access porn and the filtering of dangerous pedophile content or images of rape.

They are separate to regular porn though, Kizzy. I've had my own private access to the internet for over a decade, and not once have I ever seen any porn anywhere that involved a child. There have been simulated rape scenes I've come across, but the government is making those illegal, and I can see the merit of that ruling, and understand the reasoning behind it.

But porn and child porn are 2 completely different things, and I've spoken with loads of friends about child porn, and I don't know anyone who's ever had any appear on their computers. If it was easy to access, then it' would be easy to find the perpetrators.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

As long as their intention is to help kids and protect them I am all for it,surely if people are desperate to watch porn they can go rent a DVD,and while they are at it maybe they can block all those nasty videos that pop up on YouTube.for those who feel the need to watch it,just opt IN.

That's not the intention though. By mentioning the mail, Cameron takes it away from protecting vulnerable groups and steers it towards moral guardianship.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Only fools would not see the potential benefits of children not being able to access porn and the filtering of dangerous pedophile content or images of rape.

How about you go learn about safe searches, filters and parental controls instead of expecting the government to look after your kids?

If you want to protect your kids then be pro-active about it, don't just sit around and wait for the government to do your job for you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I don't doubt there is some dodgy unregulated stuff out, that uses underage girls that had no choice, but with so much porn choice these days, the only people who would watch that, are the people who would seek it out to begin with.

The women are the biggest earners in porn. Well, the successful ones anyway, but only the most successful people in any industry earn the big money.

I think it's also an important to seperate the porn industry from sex slave trafficking, and that young girl, while absolutely tragic, is nothing to do with a discussion on the government deciding what you can or can't watch in your free time.

It has everything to do with it, you seem to have a rose tinted view of porn and the people involved...
you can't separate the two they are inextricably linked, it is these illegal practices that are the driving force behind this issue.
It has everything to do with the government decision to take this controversial decision, but in the main the pros outweigh the cons here.
The speculation about earnings is irrelevant.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If anything I expect this filter will lead to more people watching illegal porn. This filter isn't going to change anything, if someone wants to watch porn (and that includes kids), they will find a way. All this is going to do is block the big, well known and trusted porn sites and when you bypass the filter you're going to end up on those dodgy looking sites with some ambiguous looking thumbnails, and instead of closing that tab down, now people are gonna have no choice but to explore the dark depths of such sites.

If you are a parent and don't want your child watching porn, then monitor and restrict their Internet access...it's that simple. The government shouldn't have to step in to prevent piss poor parenting. And like I said, if a kid wants to watch porn they will find a way, this is going to change nothing except curb millions of people's civil liberties. I'm not going to be told this is a good thing, because it isn't.

I accept the B.I.B. in particular. If past experiences have taught us anything, prohibition does absolutely nothing for prevention and in fact does more harm than good, which only benefits illegal, underground sources. It's diabolical.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How about you go learn about safe searches, filters and parental controls instead of expecting the government to look after your kids?

If you want to protect your kids then be pro-active about it, don't just sit around and wait for the government to do your job for you.

Please don't get personal dezzy, I have explained why I feel the government are right to do this and support their reasonings here.

[ChristmasNeeve]

tbh I don't watch porn on the internet so I couldn't care less if it's blocked and if it's going to help protect my kids that's fantastic, yes I already monitor their internet use anyway but anything that helps even more is great........ Is that selfish of me? Maybe, do I care? No

*not that this effects me anyway since I'm in Ireland but ya know

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How about you go learn about safe searches, filters and parental controls instead of expecting the government to look after your kids?

If you want to protect your kids then be pro-active about it, don't just sit around and wait for the government to do your job for you.

It's not that simple though.. It's easy enough to put child filters on at home for younger kids, but older kids are clever enough to get round them. I disabled safari on my daughters iPod, and installed a child safe browser. For whatever reason, it was blocking something really innocent (can't remember what), I received an email from the kid browser telling me it hadn't been used for so many days and lo and behold when I checked, she has deleted the child safe browser and downloaded safari again!

Don't assume that everybody that is for this decision is a piss poor parent.. The Internet is just one worry out of many for parents and the majority of people do anything to protect their kids.. If the government wants to take easy access to porn away from us, it's fine by me.

Go buy a jazz mag like they did in the olden days

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It has everything to do with it, you seem to have a rose tinted view of porn and the people involved...
you can't separate the two they are inextricably linked, it is these illegal practices that are the driving force behind this issue.
It has everything to do with the government decision to take this controversial decision, but in the main the pros outweigh the cons here.
The speculation about earnings is irrelevant.

I have no rose-tinted view of anything. Porn is a service industry, and it does what it says on the tin. I don't think it's fair or accurate to label porn industry professionals as no better than sex traffickers. Porn is a well regulated industry.

Unless you can provide evidence that sex trafficking and porn are linked, then that which you assert without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. I'll state again, I'm sure there are instances where porn and sex trafficking overlap, but I'm sure it happens in restaurants, and farming industries too.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I accept the B.I.B. in particular. If past experiences have taught us anything, prohibition does absolutely nothing for prevention and in fact does more harm than good, which only benefits illegal, underground sources. It's diabolical.

It's not prohibition though!! You can choose to watch porn if you want!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Please don't get personal dezzy, I have explained why I feel the government are right to do this and support their reasonings here.

I raise a valid point, why do you care so much about this when you aren't willing to take action to get some Parental Controls yourself?

It's just hypocritical. There's plenty of options out there that doesn't involve gutting the rights of other people.