[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Lee.

It's not prohibition though!! You can choose to watch porn if you want!

I still don't see the merit in making accessing porn more difficult for people because some may take offense to it. It's up to the parents to decide. Why not have parental blocks on inappropriate sites rather than cutting off pornography for the vast majority of others?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

They are separate to regular porn though, Kizzy. I've had my own private access to the internet for over a decade, and not once have I ever seen any porn anywhere that involved a child. There have been simulated rape scenes I've come across, but the government is making those illegal, and I can see the merit of that ruling, and understand the reasoning behind it.

But porn and child porn are 2 completely different things, and I've spoken with loads of friends about child porn, and I don't know anyone who's ever had any appear on their computers. If it was easy to access, then it' would be easy to find the perpetrators.

Good for you, that's not to say it doesn't exist and can't be accessed easily via searches.
It is these searches that are the issue here, whether intentional or not the access should not be allowed.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I still don't see the merit in making accessing porn more difficult for people because some may take offense to it. It's up to the parents to decide. Why not have parental blocks on inappropriate sites rather than cutting off pornography for the vast majority of others?

I don't think people being offended by it is the issue.. I'm not offended by porn in the slightest, but I've always been shocked by how easily kids can view it. Restricting it makes perfect sense to me.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Good for you, that's not to say it doesn't exist and can't be accessed easily via searches.
It is these searches that are the issue here, whether intentional or not the access should not be allowed.

Porn is not illegal.
Child porn is illegal.
Simulated rape is illegal.

I don't know anyone who is saying that child/rape porn doesn't exist, but this ruling is nothing to do with that. This is the perfect example of providing a solution to a problem that doesn't exist in the first place.

I made my point to highlight how difficult it is to actually come across any of the dodgy stuff that people have a genuine right to be upset/morally outraged by.

Anyone searching for just "porn", will not come across anything that involves children. That's a fact.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Lee.

It's not that simple though.. It's easy enough to put child filters on at home for younger kids, but older kids are clever enough to get round them. I disabled safari on my daughters iPod, and installed a child safe browser. For whatever reason, it was blocking something really innocent (can't remember what), I received an email from the kid browser telling me it hadn't been used for so many days and lo and behold when I checked, she has deleted the child safe browser and downloaded safari again!

Don't assume that everybody that is for this decision is a piss poor parent.. The Internet is just one worry out of many for parents and the majority of people do anything to protect their kids.. If the government wants to take easy access to porn away from us, it's fine by me.

Go buy a jazz mag like they did in the olden days

I'm not even bothered about porn, it's more that this sets a precedent for censorship that I don't like and I feel that people aren't looking at the big picture and future ramifications. No one should ever willingly give up their rights, people have died to make sure we have them and it's why I get so angry with threads like these since nothing pushes my buttons more then people throwing away their rights for no good reason.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I have no rose-tinted view of anything. Porn is a service industry, and it does what it says on the tin. I don't think it's fair or accurate to label porn industry professionals as no better than sex traffickers. Porn is a well regulated industry.

Unless you can provide evidence that sex trafficking and porn are linked, then that which you assert without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. I'll state again, I'm sure there are instances where porn and sex trafficking overlap, but I'm sure it happens in restaurants, and farming industries too.

You have already mentioned darknet so I assume from that you are not entirely ignorant to the illegal practices and that porn, trafficking, drugs and other crimes are interconnected.

''The cracking of criminal rings involved in child sex abuse, fake credit cards and online drug sales have led to gangs going deeper into the so-called Darknet to avoid the law. The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre this month revealed its concern over the growing use of anonymous online encrypted networks, with use in Britain increasing by two-thirds, one of the largest increases globally.''

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8723048.html

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not even bothered about porn, it's more that this sets a precedent for censorship that I don't like and I feel that people aren't looking at the big picture and future ramifications. No one should ever willingly give up their rights, people have died to make sure we have them and it's why I get so angry with threads like these since nothing pushes my buttons more then people throwing away their rights for no good reason.

...but you will still have a right to watch porn as a responsible 18+ adult??

And us parents will be safe in the knowledge that the 18+ material is no longer available to all ages?

So you think minors should be given the right to buy alcohol and fags too?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not even bothered about porn, it's more that this sets a precedent for censorship that I don't like and I feel that people aren't looking at the big picture and future ramifications. No one should ever willingly give up their rights, people have died to make sure we have them and it's why I get so angry with threads like these since nothing pushes my buttons more then people throwing away their rights for no good reason.

Porn has always been restricted though, in shops and stuff, this isn't new but the internet and it's laws are, they only seem to be starting to police and restrict it lately, I don't think it's giving up rights at all, more coming in line with "real life"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Porn is not illegal.
Child porn is illegal.
Simulated rape is illegal.

I don't know anyone who is saying that child/rape porn doesn't exist, but this ruling is nothing to do with that. This is the perfect example of providing a solution to a problem that doesn't exist in the first place.

I made my point to highlight how difficult it is to actually come across any of the dodgy stuff that people have a genuine right to be upset/morally outraged by.

Anyone searching for just "porn", will not come across anything that involves children. That's a fact.

There is a problem, and this is one solution, it may not be enough but it's a start.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Porn has always been restricted though, in shops and stuff, this isn't new but the internet and it's laws are, they only seem to be starting to police and restrict it lately, I don't think it's giving up rights at all, more coming in line with "real life"

I agree, and as lee said things are restricted in everyday life so it stands to reason that the internet is regulated to a degree.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Only fools would not see the potential benefits of children not being able to access porn and the filtering of dangerous pedophile content or images of rape.

Do you write for the Mail? Such hyperbole

In five years of watching porn and many different searches for different types of videos never have I ever come across any involving a child. There are certainly ambiguous looking thumbnails on the random sites that pop up, but if you look at the legal stuff at the bottom of the page they have the confirmation about all actors being of legal age. Never have I ever come across a blatant video of a child engaging in pornography, and the amount of different permuatations of searches I've made over the years are countless.

I wouldn't even know how to find it, it's that difficult. It isn't just childporn.com and boom here's some kid being bummed, those hosting illegal porn websites make them difficult to find so if I can't find them, a 10 year old boy with his first boner searching 'breasts' certainly isn't going to either

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You have already mentioned darknet so I assume from that you are not entirely ignorant to the illegal practices and that porn, trafficking, drugs and other crimes are interconnected.

''The cracking of criminal rings involved in child sex abuse, fake credit cards and online drug sales have led to gangs going deeper into the so-called Darknet to avoid the law. The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre this month revealed its concern over the growing use of anonymous online encrypted networks, with use in Britain increasing by two-thirds, one of the largest increases globally.''

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8723048.html

I still have no idea how taking regular porn away from people that want access to it, without having to tell their ISP's that they like wanking, will have any impact on internet users who are using the anonymous encrypted networks to access illegal stuff. If anything, I can imagine that far more men will happily not opt in to porn access to avoid a "family discussion" who will then need to go searching the less regulated parts of the net.

People who enjoy child porn, are not viewing the same things as most of us on the internet currently, so restricting the larger groups access to consensual porn between adults, could actually force people to come across more of the dodgy stuff that we all want restricting.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Lee.

...but you will still have a right to watch porn as a responsible 18+ adult??

And us parents will be safe in the knowledge that the 18+ material is no longer available to all ages?

So you think minors should be given the right to buy alcohol and fags too?

It's the start of a slippery slope, if it was an opt in system then that wouldn't be so much of a problem since then it would obviously be a move to protect children. The opt out system however has different connotations.

The Alcohol point is so ridiculous that I'm just going to laugh instead of wasting my time discussing such a stupid point.

Impeding an adult's rights is different to protecting children from toxic products that can seriously harm them and their development....

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Porn has always been restricted though, in shops and stuff, this isn't new but the internet and it's laws are, they only seem to be starting to police and restrict it lately, I don't think it's giving up rights at all, more coming in line with "real life"

The internet is a different place though, it's one place that should be free this sort of censorship.

[Samuel.]

Victory for lazy parenting.

[Samuel.]

Restrictions on the internet genuinely scare me. I'm just waiting for the out of touch old men in charge to completely ruin it.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The internet is a different place though, it's one place that should be free this sort of censorship.

Why should it? Why should normal rules not apply to the internet?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's the start of a slippery slope, if it was an opt in system then that wouldn't be so much of a problem since then it would obviously be a move to protect children. The opt out system however has different connotations.

The Alcohol point is so ridiculous that I'm just going to laugh instead of wasting my time discussing such a stupid point.

Impeding an adult's rights is different to protecting children from toxic products that can seriously harm them and their development....

But Dezzy , if you wanted to go and buy a hardcore DVD or magazine, you'd have to be able to prove you're 18.. Why should it be any different in cyberspace?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Do you write for the Mail? Such hyperbole

In five years of watching porn and many different searches for different types of videos never have I ever come across any involving a child. There are certainly ambiguous looking thumbnails on the random sites that pop up, but if you look at the legal stuff at the bottom of the page they have the confirmation about all actors being of legal age. Never have I ever come across a blatant video of a child engaging in pornography, and the amount of different permuatations of searches I've made over the years are countless.

I wouldn't even know how to find it, it's that difficult. It isn't just childporn.com and boom here's some kid being bummed, those hosting illegal porn websites make them difficult to find so if I can't find them, a 10 year old boy with his first boner searching 'breasts' certainly isn't going to either

No, and it is my opinion jack not hyperbole.
As I said there are reasons for the internet to be regulated and searches to be screened, we as the public may not be aware of the underlying issues here.
I would say it is not being done to spoil anyones fun, and the changes have wider reaching implications in protecting vulnerable groups.

[jackc1806]

What next? Ban sites that speak out against the government? They already want to regulate press as well. People have a right to watch porn and if parents were concerned they would take their own measures that don't impede people's rights.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Good! bliddy brilliant about time, does nobody think of the sexual exploitation and trafficking of women

gay porn doesn't do this tbh

[Kizzy]

That's right fly off on a tangent
Why some think their right to have this stuff outweighs others right not to baffles me....
I understand freedom of speech is important but infringing on your right to wank yourself clever?...

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

gay porn does neither of this tbh

Implying only straight people are pedophiles

Heterophobe

[Firewire]

I'm being honest but I think rape crime will rise with the ban of all porn*. I think it's an absolute ludicrous thing to do. There are better things to do than block all pornography. Porn is a big industry. I don't see the problem with real porn - the type that is basically adult movies. I understand the crackdown on illegal porn, but not all of it is. I just don't see the point in banning it all. Cameron, what's the deal?

* I do not know this for a fact, this is of course what is known as an opinion.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's right fly off on a tangent
Why some think their right to have this stuff outweighs others right not to baffles me....
I understand freedom of speech is important but infringing on your right to wank yourself clever?...

For me, its not about the restriction of porn so much. Its about the government having more control over our lives. I dont think the real reason behind this is protection of children at all. More pushing towards a big brother state and seeing how far they can go in 'the interests of children'