[Z]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sure that's true these days, Zee. Women make an awful lot of money in porn... they act, they produce, they direct... and plenty of women watch porn. The industry is highly regulated in this country and really, so long as no coercion is involved, I don't see why so many people - women - have a problem with it.

And if you don't want your kids to see it, you should have to opt out.

Yeah, women make a lot of money in porn, but porn is made primarily for a male viewing audience. I should have perhaps made that clearer. There's a whole sub-section of porn "made for women" (as in, that's how it's known) but it's a common porn trope to have "girl on girl", "girl orgy" etc etc... I also think it's ridiculous that he's choosing to target internet porn but he's leaving Page 3 "up to the consumer" - you don't get internet porn lying about in the street, on the bus, on the subway or being stocked in every supermarket or magazine shop around the country. I've seen countless Page 3 newspapers left lying around, have never bought one in my life, yet I've never once seen or even heard of where to find any child porn or rape videos.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yeah, women make a lot of money in porn, but porn is made primarily for a male viewing audience. I should have perhaps made that clearer. There's a whole sub-section of porn "made for women" (as in, that's how it's known) but it's a common porn trope to have "girl on girl", "girl orgy" etc etc... I also think it's ridiculous that he's choosing to target internet porn but he's leaving Page 3 "up to the consumer" - you don't get internet porn lying about in the street, on the bus, on the subway or being stocked in every supermarket or magazine shop around the country. I've seen countless Page 3 newspapers left lying around, have never bought one in my life, yet I've never once seen or even heard of where to find any child porn or rape videos.

My daughter uses the Internet every single day.. She has never read The Sun in her life... And to be honest, page 3 is just a pair of big boobs, you see that on the beach on holiday, and this is very different to watching a woman (or a man) take it in every orifice.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yeah, women make a lot of money in porn, but porn is made primarily for a male viewing audience. I should have perhaps made that clearer. There's a whole sub-section of porn "made for women" (as in, that's how it's known) but it's a common porn trope to have "girl on girl", "girl orgy" etc etc... I also think it's ridiculous that he's choosing to target internet porn but he's leaving Page 3 "up to the consumer" - you don't get internet porn lying about in the street, on the bus, on the subway or being stocked in every supermarket or magazine shop around the country. I've seen countless Page 3 newspapers left lying around, have never bought one in my life, yet I've never once seen or even heard of where to find any child porn or rape videos.

I can't say I've ever really seen any "made for women" porn... Is there like a back-story, a couple of scenes about shoe shopping some crashing waves and soaring music... and they all get married in the end and live happily ever after?

David Cameron is a prude. He's desperately trying to win back to the party the thin-lipped head-shakers and hand-wringers that had such a problem with gay marriage. That's a generalisation, but that doesn't make it wrong.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't say I've ever really seen any "made for women" porn... Is there like a back-story, a couple of scenes about shoe shopping some crashing waves and soaring music... and they all get married in the end and live happily ever after?

David Cameron is a prude. He's desperately trying to win back to the party the thin-lipped head-shakers and hand-wringers that had such a problem with gay marriage. That's a generalisation, but that doesn't make it wrong.

I don't really know, I think there's more focus on the man rather than the woman as is usually the case in porn (i.e. worms eye view to see the action...)

You're spot on with that. He's just trying to win support back by playing to traditional right wing views after years of centrist politics. Lib/Lab will respond in kind and we'll go back to polarising politics and then they'll all return to the centre in another 20-30 years.

Men make lots of money out of porn too, incidentally, but only if they do gay porn, hence the rise of 'gay for pay'.

[Cherry Christmas]

It's pretty easy to spot the people with no kids on this thread. You can supervise all you like but you cannot legislate for what their mates parents allow them to do at their house, or what they can view on someones phone at school or at an after school club, Im talking primary school kids here whose doting parents give them smart phones at age 6/7. You can opt in to view so I don't see why anyone could consider their liberties invaded.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's pretty easy to spot the people with no kids on this thread. You can supervise all you like but you cannot legislate for what their mates parents allow them to do at their house, or what they can view on someones phone at school or at an after school club, Im talking primary school kids here whose doting parents give them smart phones at age 6/7. You can opt in to view so I don't see why anyone could consider their liberties invaded.

Yes, because parents are thinking about their kids and childless people's lives are solely their own, they don't have to take responsibility for other people, so of course their views are different on this. That's part of growing up, coming into contact with sex and sexual images. Should we ban rom coms for promoting the idea that sex and love are intricately linked? Sex scenes in films are a no go; are we going to revert to a time when it was shocking to show Fred and Wilma Flintstone in bed together? I mean really - that is exactly what this proposal is promoting. An opt in would be fine if it was a personal choice offered to every individual person - but it isn't; it's an ISP measure and the person paying the internet bill will be the one to decide. Anyone over the age of 18, i.e. a legal adult wishing to view legal activity, is either having to pay for a separate porn connection (and how ridiculous is that?) or having to go along with a chastity ban. Are we living in the 19th century?