[Raph]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Helen was stupid and likable = people liked her no matter what

Hazel is unlikable and manipulative = people don't like her

it is as simple as that

Yeah this is what I gather

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Josy

Cant be bothered posting the same things over and over...I have never blamed Hazel for the relationship with Daley so the double standards thing does not apply to me anyway...

And also there was live coverage even though it wasn't 24/7 I'm sure we saw a lot more then than we do now but that could be wrong it was so long ago I can't really remember but from what I watched Helen acted nothing at all like Hazel.

So you think Hazel acted bad? Even though she's single and thought Daley was too but Helen didnt act badly even though she was definitely in a committed long term relationship? OK

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Helen was stupid and likable = people liked her no matter what

Hazel is unlikable and manipulative = people don't like her

it is as simple as that

I like Hazel.

I didn't like Helen because I'm not drawn to stupid people.

Nothing's ever that simple.

[Niamh.]

I like Hazel but I loved Helen lol

[Josy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So you think Hazel acted bad? Even though she's single and thought Daley was too but Helen didnt act badly even though she was definitely in a committed long term relationship? OK

Lol nice try twisting what I'm saying Girth, I said Helen acted nothing like Hazel...

Anyway how about replying to my post after that that quoted the double standards from you?

[Roy Mars III]

Personally I find Helen so unlikeable that i could see no other reason to like her, but that is probably just me.

Hazel has arguably the smallest fanbase of any of the HMs, there are only a few to argue from a Pro Hazel side so even in a situation were she should get support (the Daley thing) she didn't

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Josy

This is double standards...you are saying here Paul was a home wrecker but no one is allowed to say the same about Hazel..

Do you mean this?

Well Paul was a homewrecker but by all accounts even Daley didn't know he was in a relationship so Hazel had no home to wreck.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Do you mean this?

Well Paul was a homewrecker but by all accounts even Daley didn't know he was in a relationship so Hazel had no home to wreck.

Then why was Hazel saying in the tree house she didn't want to be seen as the girl that went for the guy with the GF? she new fine well Daley had a GF as did he.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

This is double standards...you are saying here Paul was a home wrecker but no one is allowed to say the same about Hazel..

He was yes, it's not double standards to say that as it's basically what niamh was implying in her OP.
Whatever the structure of the relationship was, or your personal opinion of the people involved before during or after the event the bottom line is if you strip it bare it's the same situation just with the roles reversed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He was yes, it's not double standards to say that and it's basically what niamh was implying in her OP.
Whatever the structure of the relationship was, or your personal opinion of the people involved before during or after the event the bottom line is if you strip it bare it's the same situation just with the roles reversed.

Yeah, granted the Paul/Helen relationship was different in a lot of ways of course but my point was that both were relationships that happened in the house where one of them was already in a relationship on the outside

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Josy

Then why was Hazel saying in the tree house she didn't want to be seen as the girl that went for the guy with the GF? she new fine well Daley had a GF as did he.

Because she's a smart girl and she knows how things look and how they've gonna be spun. Daley was telling all the HM's that he was not sure about his relationship so how was Hazel to be sure?

I agree with Kizzy. This is more or less the same situation as Paul and Helen. We can add alot of he said this and she said that but its the same at the end of the day. Also don't lose sight of the fact that Helen left her BF for Paul. So Paul and Helen was actually worse IMO.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He was yes, it's not double standards to say that as it's basically what niamh was implying in her OP.
Whatever the structure of the relationship was, or your personal opinion of the people involved before during or after the event the bottom line is if you strip it bare it's the same situation just with the roles reversed.

Yes Kizzy it is double standards to call Paul a home wrecker but get annoyed when people say the same about Hazel.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes Kizzy it is double standards to call Paul a home wrecker but get annoyed when people say the same about Hazel.

There was no home to wreck. If there was then why was Daley so willing to tell another woman how he wanted her to dress and act?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Because she's a smart girl and she knows how things look and how they've gonna be spun. Daley was telling all the HM's that he was not sure about his relationship so how was Hazel to be sure?

Well if she wasn't sure why go there? but Daley had said in the beginning he was in a relationship that should have told her enough IMO.

This has gone way off course from the thread topic now...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

There was no home to wreck. If there was then why was Daley so willing to tell another woman how he wanted her to dress and act?

There was though Girth, we know that, Daley knows that, Katie knows that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes Kizzy it is double standards to call Paul a home wrecker but get annoyed when people say the same about Hazel.

Who's getting annoyed?
I don't disagree with the fact that both paul and hazel could be given that label, it's the aftermath of pantsgate2 I object to.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well if she wasn't sure why go there? but Daley had said in the beginning he was in a relationship that should have told her enough IMO.

This has gone way off course from the thread topic now...

She has admitted she went there out of boredom. No doubt this is one of those 'evil' traits that people talk about in her.

I don't understand the Daley told her that you keep going on about. Daley also told her how he'd like her to act and dress and to wear less make up. does that sound like a man who's in a committed relationship?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who's getting annoyed?
I don't disagree with the fact that both paul and hazel could be given that label, it's the aftermath of pantsgate2 I object to.

A few people are in other threads.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Josy

There was though Girth, we know that, Daley knows that, Katie knows that.

Really? Something tells me Daley forgot every now and again. Probably coincides with alot of blood rushing to a certain part of his body. If anything he is more to blame. He was the one in a relationship, he was he one who became possessive and controlling and he was the one who ultimately attacked her.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Really? Something tells me Daley forgot every now and again. Probably coincides with alot of blood rushing to a certain part of his body. If anything he is more to blame. He was the one in a relationship, he was he one who became possessive and controlling and he was the one who ultimately attacked her.

No one in this discussion is denying that or ever has.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

A few people are in other threads.

They are, but it's interesting to see the reactions to a similar situation isn't it?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Josy

A few people are in other threads.

Do you mean me. Absolutely not. This is fun.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Really? Something tells me Daley forgot every now and again. Probably coincides with alot of blood rushing to a certain part of his body. If anything he is more to blame. He was the one in a relationship, he was he one who became possessive and controlling and he was the one who ultimately attacked her.

Haha, maybe paul only held back as he was worried about bumping into 'big G'?....

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Josy

Lol nice try twisting what I'm saying Girth, I said Helen acted nothing like Hazel...

Anyway how about replying to my post after that that quoted the double standards from you?

When you talk of how Helen and Hazel acted then what are you referring to if you're not saying Hazel acted badly?

[James]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's really not how I remembered it at all, although granted I wouldn't have been reading up about it online at all at the stage. I thought it was all very romanticized

It was romanticised by some people, yes, eg. Davina. But a lot of the online stuff was pretty poisonous at the time. And the media covered Big Brother in a much bigger way back then.

Paul got most of the criticism as I said, but for slightly different reasons than Hazel in the Hazel - Daley situation. Basically, people said - wrongly - he wouldn't be interested in Helen outside of the house.

The likability factor, and how popular she was as a housemate, makes a big difference with Helen when comparing to the situation now. But even then I remember Simon Pegg on BBLB criticising Helen for going after Paul in the house when she had a boyfriend on the outside. So the same issues were spoken about at the time.