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View Poll Results: Did Charlie stab Callm in the back?
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Old 30-07-2013, 12:24 PM #51
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Dexter said to Hazel a couple of days ago that Charlie said Callum makes her skin crawl.
Trash-talking? Lol!
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Which just proves she's 2 faced and trying to keep both him and Callum sweet.

She's playing both of them like a fiddle to get herself further in the game.
I think she does like Dexter. He treats her with respect and they have things in common.
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Dexter said to Hazel a couple of days ago that Charlie said Callum makes her skin crawl.
Right, because Dexter said it it must be true then?

Did we hear her say it?
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Ok I'm watching L/F atm I'm sorry but If I was Charlie that conversation would just confirm that I made the right choice. Callum is a strange bunny, I would have just told him to piss off lol
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I think she does like Dexter. He treats her with respect and they have things in common.
Im sure Jackie Travers will be glad to know he wants to bed her on the outside

Maybe he could do mother and daughter as they both seem to like him so much

Not sure how that would go with a guy who has the body of a 10yr old boy but if it gets Charlie a record contract lol
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Ok I'm watching L/F atm I'm sorry but If I was Charlie that conversation would just confirm that I made the right choice. Callum is a strange bunny, I would have just told him to piss off lol
Me too. Who the hell does he think he is? It's almost like she has to ask him permission to do anythting.
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Ok I'm watching L/F atm I'm sorry but If I was Charlie that conversation would just confirm that I made the right choice. Callum is a strange bunny, I would have just told him to piss off lol
To be fair, iIn that convo they were both trying to look like the victim. Callum took it way too far, as usual, and came off as creepy but Charlie tries to guilt Callum a few times
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To be fair, iIn that convo they were both trying to look like the victim. Callum took it way too far, as usual, and came off as creepy but Charlie tries to guilt Callum a few times
I'm not all the way through it yet
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I'm not all the way through it yet
Its quite compelling yet funny in equal measures.
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Ok I'm watching L/F atm I'm sorry but If I was Charlie that conversation would just confirm that I made the right choice. Callum is a strange bunny, I would have just told him to piss off lol
Which is exactly how she should have dealt with it in the first place, once she realised that she no longer wanted to lay all over him getting massaged (for the first 3 weeks)
Instead she goes into her long inane chats about what she feels and none of it is ever clear and just leaves the situation stewing
Callum is an obsessive idiot, but if she had given him the clear brush off in the beginning, instead of being worried about him putting her up, this would all be old news by now

She is a player and I dont like her

As for her liking Dexter, if you think Callum is creepy, OMG Dexter has a childs body with a mans head on it, yuk, creepy & grotesque. I have two teenage sons and that would just seem very very wrong

Like sleeping with a munckin, its just something you should never do
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Niamh read this please. When they were talking last night she kept on saying i adore you, I find comfort in you. Etc etc. she always seeks callum out. "I love your hugs and our chats" they have been getting close all week. And she decides to tell callum because they are not as close as other people in the house she nommed him and also he fustrates her. Im sorry but if anyone on this forum thinks sophie/Sam are closer to Charlie than callum then im done. Her decision is very calculated if callum was in 3rd and dexter was in 7th or 8th she would not of nommed callum. I GAURANTEE.
She has nominated Callum the last 3 times saying she nom'd him purely because of the poll is a weak argument.
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I think she does like Dexter. He treats her with respect and they have things in common.
I think she has no interest in Dexter at all and she will never go near him or Callum when they leave the house.
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She will... She is trying to break back into showbiz of course she will be stuck to him like her 'pagent mom' wants her to be, for the media attention and the contacts dexter has ... but not for any romantic of friendship reason.
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I agree, except she will see Dexter for awhile - just long enough to suss if he really does have contacts who might help her get a record deal or if he really is rich and could show her a good time and get her publicity in the process.

Sorry I'm in a very cynical mood today.
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I agree, except she will see Dexter for awhile - just long enough to suss if he really does have contacts who might help her get a record deal or if he really is rich
That shouldn't take more than a hour or two once she's left the house.

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She had every right to nominate him. He has no 'right' to her loyalty. She has told him countless times that she isn't interested in him in a romantic way.

But why not give that as the reason for nomination?

he has no right to expect her not to nominate him because of some romatic attachment, or because he has any rights at all.

He does, however have the right to feel betrayed.

As much as she has pushed him away, she pulled him towards. To his face, she says she is not interested in romance, but at the same time continually tells him she values supprt and companionship in the house. As much as it frustrates her that he jumps in to the end of her sentence and puts words into his mouth, she nevertheless seeks him out for deep conversations and tells him that she loves them. As much as she may dislike his wandering hands overstepping the boundaries of her personal space, she nevertheless gives every impression of enjoying his massages.

It is absolutely her right to set those personal boundaries in such a way that she is comfortable. She has every right to say this far and no further and expect that to be listened to. That she enjoys his massages sometimes does not mean she has to enjoy his caresses at all times. In giving permission to put his hands on her once, she has not given blanket permission thereafter.

But: as everybody in that house, including her, have identified, Callum does not seem to read social situations well. It cannot be anything but clear to her that with this man the signals have to be absolutely clear. Instead, she has sent mixed signals in all sorts of ways. She has been very clear that she doesn't have any romantic interest in him, but she has muddied the water when it comes to setting the parameters of their interactions and the extent or depth of the friendship that may be possible between them.

She has also consistently played with the fact that Callum and Dex see themselves as rivals for her affection. In her defence, a lot of that seems to be whilst drunk, but it heightens the situation.

Intentionally or not she has played with both of their affections. She clearly finds it frustrating and thrilling in equal measure that both men are courting her and combating each other for her attention.

What she has done isn't so terrible. She, like most of the people in the house, is young and still figuring out who she is. Being adored is a powerful thin and I cannot truly say as a young woman I wouldn't have been slightly thrilled by the idea of it, if not the actuality. But this is leading her to send mixed signals. And for someone like Callum that is clearly a very confusing thing.

So: whilst she had every right to nominate him, and he has no right to assume that she won't, it is still a betrayal of someone whose affections she has at times delighted in, and who has done her no harm. She could have talked to him in more open and frank terms about him touching her, and invading her personal space. She could have refused the massages and cuddles and tried to forge a less physically charged friendship. She could have steered the conversation away from herself during his stints as self-appointed Charlie counsellor, for example, by turning the questions to him. She could have asked him questions about his life, about how he felt, about his experiences. She could have steered the conversations towards other interests, lightened the tone.

Callum's confusion, and I really think it is confusion, was easily avoided. But it has been useful to her. Whatever else he is, Callum has been her supporter. And she has called on that support many times.

Had these been face to face nominations I very much doubt Callum would have been one of her choices.

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Great post Dana, you have swayed me a bit I have to say
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