[Livia]

Originally Posted by lippyzippy

theyre current actions and their regime is mindless , the whole eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. its a mindless pathetic vicious back and forth game of revenge. the timing of these endless building works is based purely on spite and revenge. hence it continues the whole sorry cycle of spite and revenge.
their actions after the UN vote was just self defeating.
as for the state itself Im all for a 2 state solution. I do not believe the Israelis or jews had any right whatsoever to set up this country in the 1940s though. it was always doomed to total failure. did they have the deeds or what? the whole thing is preposterous. but now they Israel exists, the Israelis still fail completely to understand the word compromise. its a disaster and always will be unless they stop the building end compromise and negotiate. anyone who fails to do that hates his own people.

Israelis and Jews didn't set up Israel in the 1940s, Britain and America did. No the Jews didn't have the deeds. At the time the area was called "British Mandate of Palestine", not a country but a British Colony. Where should the Jews have gone after the Holocaust if not back to their spiritual home? Nearly 50% of the world's Jews live in Israel, that tiny piece of land that is so sacred to Jews and really not that much to Islam.

I wouldn't mind if we disagreed and debated the subject, but when you said you were Jewish earlier I assumed you'd know a bit more about it. Maybe I should have just left it at you making a statement.

[lippyzippy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Israelis and Jews didn't set up Israel in the 1940s, Britain and America did. No the Jews didn't have the deeds. At the time the area was called "British Mandate of Palestine", not a country but a British Colony. Where should the Jews have gone after the Holocaust if not back to their spiritual home? Nearly 50% of the world's Jews live in Israel, that tiny piece of land that is so sacred to Jews and really not that much to Islam.

I wouldn't mind if we disagreed and debated the subject, but when you said you were Jewish earlier I assumed you'd know a bit more about it. Maybe I should have just left it at you making a statement.

I didn't say we set it up, everyone knows the brits set it up, we had no right to reclaim land from several centuries ago and it was always a rigged game. the whole sorry disaster was always going to end up this way, always it was an insane idea. I hate the fact my people are tarred with the brush of these neo cons and radical Zionist zealots. their agenda has been exposed and the liberal masses are sick to death of their warmongering greed. the only question is what is to be done about it , as all we have left is damage limitation

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Israelis and Jews didn't set up Israel in the 1940s, Britain and America did. No the Jews didn't have the deeds. At the time the area was called "British Mandate of Palestine", not a country but a British Colony. Where should the Jews have gone after the Holocaust if not back to their spiritual home? Nearly 50% of the world's Jews live in Israel, that tiny piece of land that is so sacred to Jews and really not that much to Islam.

I wouldn't mind if we disagreed and debated the subject, but when you said you were Jewish earlier I assumed you'd know a bit more about it. Maybe I should have just left it at you making a statement.

You really are prepared to try and argue this aren't you....????

First of all being patronising to the other Poster assuming he doesn't know how Israel was established is just rude as he has stated he is Jewish and probably knows more about the subject than you.

Secondly the Jews could have gone to a number of places they did not have to go into Palestine and trample all over the people who lived there steal their land and create probably the biggest refugee group the world has ever known.

And furthermore that tiny piece of land you refer to is sacred not only to Jews but also Muslims and Christians so that's no argument.

In fact you have no argument, your last post contained nothing meaningful, all you can do is repeat the same tired brainwashed mantra that passes for reasons for Israel continuing this brutal occupation.

As I said earlier this is not a subject that we can easily debate as it is very emotive and I for one get very upset on this topic.So this will be my last word on this particular thread.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

You really are prepared to try and argue this aren't you....????

First of all being patronising to the other Poster assuming he doesn't know how Israel was established is just rude as he has stated he is Jewish and probably knows more about the subject than you.
Secondly the Jews could have gone to a number of places they did not have to go into Palestine and trample all over the people who lived there steal their land and create probably the biggest refugee group the world has ever known.

And furthermore that tiny piece of land you refer to is sacred not only to Jews but also Muslims and Christians so that's no argument.

In fact you have no argument, your last post contained nothing meaningful, all you can do is repeat the same tired brainwashed mantra that passes for reasons for Israel continuing this brutal occupation.

As I said earlier this is not a subject that we can easily debate as it is very emotive and I for one get very upset on this topic.So this will be my last word on this particular thread.

Israel and Jersusalem appear in the bible over 700 times, but nowhere in the Qu'ran. Mohammed never visited Jerusalem, Jews pray with the backs to it, facing Mecca. While I agree that Jerusalem is sacred to Christians it's claim to Jerusalem is tenuous, even though Islamic places of worship in Jerusalem are maintained by the Israelis, whereas when the Muslims occupied it, like I said, Jewish sacred places were vandalised and dismantled.

You see the bits in your post I've highlighted? They're the reason I'm putting you on ignore. Because my opinions don't agree with yours you get personal. lippyzippy obviously doesn't know too much from what he (or she) has posted. I am not brainwashed, and my arguments are just as valid as yours. do me the courtesy of also ignoring me in future.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Israel and Jersusalem appear in the bible over 700 times, but nowhere in the Qu'ran. Mohammed never visited Jerusalem, Jews pray with the backs to it, facing Mecca. While I agree that Jerusalem is sacred to Christians it's claim to Jerusalem is tenuous, even though Islamic places of worship in Jerusalem are maintained by the Israelis, whereas when the Muslims occupied it, like I said, Jewish sacred places were vandalised and dismantled.

You see the bits in your post I've highlighted? They're the reason I'm putting you on ignore. Because my opinions don't agree with yours you get personal. lippyzippy obviously doesn't know too much from what he (or she) has posted. I am not brainwashed, and my arguments are just as valid as yours. do me the courtesy of also ignoring me in future.

With your patronising and arrogant manner I'm not surprised if most of this Forum haven't put YOU on ignore already.............!!!!!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

With your patronising and arrogant manner I'm not surprised if most of this Forum haven't put YOU on ignore already.............!!!!!!

No

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