[smudgie]

Originally Posted by _catapult_

When the asians first came over here I think it was very common for them to be referred to as '*****' - it is just short for pakistanis, after all, but then the negative connotations came and today it's taboo to call somebody that even though in the literal sense it wasn't actually an insult..

I don't remember the episode though so I can't comment on the context of this individual use of the word but I'd guess at the time, most people didn't read too much into it?? ...

It was indeed common, our corner shop was always called by the shortened version.
It only became derogatory after the idiotic term of p**** bashing came about in the seventies.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Apart from anything else he said it to an Irish woman (but I do think innocently). The warning was, however, justified. I kinda feel sorry for Ron as he comes from a generation where people didn't hold back on how they felt about neighbours etc. The bigoted Alf Garnett springs to mind. The more Ron tries to be careful as to what he says in the house the more he is likely to say something by accident - he is walking on his own egg shells, simply because he is aware the public (mainly the press) will be watching for any slip-ups like he has done in the past.

[anne666]

Idiotic to say it was idiotic, someone needs to educate this thick human being.There is a world outside of sport, where has he been all this time?

[Lord Of The Garden]

I don't mind people making jokes about me or my race.

If it's funny, i'll laugh

If it's not, i won't . Simple as that.

It's not something that would bother me personally.

I'd rather live in a world where we can all laugh at ourselves and each other. Humour is important as it relieves the tensions of life. Things become a problem when we take them too seriously. That's my view.

I wish everyone saw it that way.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

I don't mind people making jokes about me or my race.

If it's funny, i'll laugh

If it's not, i won't . Simple as that.

It's not something that would bother me personally.

I'd rather live in a world where we can all laugh at ourselves and each other. Humour is important as it relieves the tensions of life. Things become a problem when we take them too seriously. That's my view.

I wish everyone saw it that way.

My nephew is half Indian ,he tells jokes too ,and being a sergeant in the Army hes had banter from other soldiers for years, but Thank God hes got a great sense of humour and doesnt take offence IMO any racism re blacks,Asians comes from Pc mad white people

[Lord Of The Garden]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

My nephew is half Indian ,he tells jokes too ,and being a sergeant in the Army hes had banter from other soldiers for years, but Thank God hes got a great sense of humour and doesnt take offence IMO any racism re blacks,Asians comes from Pc mad white people

Even with my friends - the ones who make jokes about me are the one's who also care the most. The people who are uncomfortable making jokes tend to be less caring overall.

Give me people with a sense of humour any day!

Anyone without a sense of humour is someone to be avoided in my experience!

[DanaC]

Big difference between jokes that come from somebody who you know views you with caring or concern, or with whom you share some sort of kinship or camaraderie, and jokes that come from somebody who doesn't know you and whose motives may not be kind. One is, despite the content, a form of intended inclusion. The other is a form of intended exclusion.

[Northern Monkey]

Round our end,The local asian off licence was always known as the 'P**i shop' to everyone before it closed.That was just normal,Was'nt all that long ago.10 or so years.

[Lord Of The Garden]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Big difference between jokes that come from somebody who you know views you with caring or concern, or with whom you share some sort of kinship or camaraderie, and jokes that come from somebody who doesn't know you and whose motives may not be kind. One is, despite the content, a form of intended inclusion. The other is a form of intended exclusion.

Agreed.

But for me that's a win / win.

I'd gladly be excluded from people with bad intention !

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

Agreed.

But for me that's a win / win.

I'd gladly be excluded from people with bad intention !

ha! yes.

The trouble comes in when those people with bad intentions are the ones who create the culture in which you are living and working. These days they're a marginal voice, thankfully. But that wasn't always the case, and may not be always the case.

[Daffodil]

My reaction when I saw the warning? I laughed at what he said! Sorry, but it was funny! And I am only being honest.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

My reaction when I saw the warning? I laughed at what he said! Sorry, but it was funny! And I am only being honest.

It was a silly joke, rather schoolboyish humour, but that's ALL it was just a silly stupid remark that BB deliberately BROADCAST (Along with the full DR warning) in
order to create another "Race Row" headline in the Daily Scum. They definitely succeeded as today's Daily scum proves. > http://www.dailystar.co.uk/

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-br...omb-joke-storm another heaven-sent opportunity to publicise BB and show how caring the programme is
in defending the viewers' sensibilities

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

My nephew is half Indian ,he tells jokes too ,and being a sergeant in the Army hes had banter from other soldiers for years, but Thank God hes got a great sense of humour and doesnt take offence IMO any racism re blacks,Asians comes from Pc mad white people

PC white people are the new racists?

[Lord Of The Garden]

Originally Posted by DanaC

ha! yes.

The trouble comes in when those people with bad intentions are the ones who create the culture in which you are living and working. These days they're a marginal voice, thankfully. But that wasn't always the case, and may not be always the case.

I know, it's a scary thing to be around when you can't avoid it. On the whole i think we are evolving for the better but there is still a lot of divisive thinking around in people who think their 'group' is superior to others - whether that is their race, their religion or their gender.

Thankfully we live in one of the most open minded and multi-cultural countries in the world. Hopefully that forward thinking spirit will rub off on all cultures who live here and help to dissolve the racial/religious/gender divides that are not serving the common good.

Well intended humour on taboo subjects is a sign that we are on the right track but of course it is unpleasant when humour is misused by people with darker motives. It's all about intention i guess. You can feel the difference between a joke with bad intention behind it and one that's just a joke.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

Even with my friends - the ones who make jokes about me are the one's who also care the most. The people who are uncomfortable making jokes tend to be less caring overall.

Give me people with a sense of humour any day!

Anyone without a sense of humour is someone to be avoided in my experience!

And me too

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

PC white people are the new racists?

Yes they are,attacking white people to stick up for others ,to make them appear Saintly ,when in fact they appear shallow and pathetic

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

PC white people are the new racists?

And white people are actually the minority that are marginalised too, didn't you know?

The mind boggles.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

I know, it's a scary thing to be around when you can't avoid it. On the whole i think we are evolving for the better but there is still a lot of divisive thinking around in people who think their 'group' is superior to others - whether that is their race, their religion or their gender.

Thankfully we live in one of the most open minded and multi-cultural countries in the world. Hopefully that forward thinking spirit will rub off on all cultures who live here and help to dissolve the racial/religious/gender divides that are not serving the common good.

Well intended humour on taboo subjects is a sign that we are on the right track but of course it is unpleasant when humour is misused by people with darker motives. It's all about intention i guess. You can feel the difference between a joke with bad intention behind it and one that's just a joke.

Like Fingers , Chuff and a few other people on this forum have already said...This kind of nonsense thread is too much for me to be bothered with, But before I turn my back on all of the 'overly-pious threads' I will say that this particular piece of open minded and sensible observation posted by 'Lord Of The Garden' should be considered the epitome of logic....and end this pc madness!
The man tried to make a joke for god's sake!...he did not shout "Death To The Veil-Wearing Charlatans!" [or something else to that effect!]
...Granted, the attempt at humour was pretty weak...and also thoughtlessly misplaced , because the producers of the show that he's on were always hoping for Ron to give them a cheap bit of publicity [otherwise, why would they have paid loads of dosh to have a relatively boring, knackered old football has'been on the show?]
It was not racist at all!..it was throwaway humour!...The very same throwaway humour that is constantly being used by comedians up and down the country...nay!...world-wide!

For anyone that disagrees with my assessment of the 'non-event' ...please study the links below that are perfect examples of the real 'Voice Of Reason' by people that are eminently more qualified to comment and set the boundaries of "Political Correctness" than most [if not all] of the people feigning indignation on these threads...before commentating on this post thank you!....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEmfh3hOXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoL_tR5nARg

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/ar...-jokes-not-war

ps...don't just skip the links...if nothing else, ...they might just make you smile!


Bye Bye!

[CaudleHalbard]

I said it before and I'll say it again:

BB are covering their backs. They would rather have loads of whinging on the internet than even a small number of complaints to Ofcom.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lex

Like Fingers , Chuff and a few other people on this forum have already said...This kind of nonsense thread is too much for me to be bothered with, But before I turn my back on all of the 'overly-pious threads' I will say that this particular piece of open minded and sensible observation posted by 'Lord Of The Garden' should be considered the epitome of logic....and end this pc madness!
The man tried to make a joke for god's sake!...he did not shout "Death To The Veil-Wearing Charlatans!" [or something else to that effect!]
...Granted, the attempt at humour was pretty weak...and also thoughtlessly misplaced , because the producers of the show that he's on were always hoping for Ron to give them a cheap bit of publicity [otherwise, why would they have paid loads of dosh to have a relatively boring, knackered old football has'been on the show?]
It was not racist at all!..it was throwaway humour!...The very same throwaway humour that is constantly being used by comedians up and down the country...nay!...world-wide!

For anyone that disagrees with my assessment of the 'non-event' ...please study the links below that are perfect examples of the real 'Voice Of Reason' by people that are eminently more qualified to comment and set the boundaries of "Political Correctness" than most [if not all] of the people feigning indignation on these threads...before commentating on this post thank you!....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEmfh3hOXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoL_tR5nARg

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/ar...-jokes-not-war

ps...don't just skip the links...if nothing else, ...they might just make you smile!


Bye Bye!

Well said ,I agree with all you say ,but as many others I will not be told what I should think ,Im an adult and my opinion is as valid(and sometimes more valid) than others ,Leave the excusers too it

Originally Posted by Jack_

And white people are actually the minority that are marginalised too, didn't you know?

The mind boggles.

It was hard growing up in the era of suppression. When is a white guy like me going to catch a break in this world?

[CaudleHalbard]

Does anyone SERIOUSLY think that BB were making a moral judgment on Headscarfgate?

If so, that's seriously deluded! Sorry.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Lex

Like Fingers , Chuff and a few other people on this forum have already said...This kind of nonsense thread is too much for me to be bothered with, But before I turn my back on all of the 'overly-pious threads' I will say that this particular piece of open minded and sensible observation posted by 'Lord Of The Garden' should be considered the epitome of logic....and end this pc madness!
The man tried to make a joke for god's sake!...he did not shout "Death To The Veil-Wearing Charlatans!" [or something else to that effect!]
...Granted, the attempt at humour was pretty weak...and also thoughtlessly misplaced , because the producers of the show that he's on were always hoping for Ron to give them a cheap bit of publicity [otherwise, why would they have paid loads of dosh to have a relatively boring, knackered old football has'been on the show?]
It was not racist at all!..it was throwaway humour!...The very same throwaway humour that is constantly being used by comedians up and down the country...nay!...world-wide!

For anyone that disagrees with my assessment of the 'non-event' ...please study the links below that are perfect examples of the real 'Voice Of Reason' by people that are eminently more qualified to comment and set the boundaries of "Political Correctness" than most [if not all] of the people feigning indignation on these threads...before commentating on this post thank you!....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEmfh3hOXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoL_tR5nARg

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/ar...-jokes-not-war

ps...don't just skip the links...if nothing else, ...they might just make you smile!


Bye Bye!

BB knew exactly what they were doing, this was not something that happened during LiveFeed (when they'd have censored it anyway) It was put into the Hls for the express intention of creating another "BB Race Row" headline which they got! How many DR conversations have they broadcast this year?
Channel 5 seems to be all about exploitation, of the contestants, of the public and of course the Fan Forums. All for the sake of cheap and usually false headlines in the Daily Scum.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Does anyone SERIOUSLY think that BB were making a moral judgment on Headscarfgate?

If so, that's seriously deluded! Sorry.

If anything, I bet the main reason why they put Ron in there was to see if he'd say exactly that kind of thing.

[DanaC]

What's ridiculous is people getting into an almighty strop because someone was pulled up for a mildly racist joke on tv.

It amazes me that so many people think that minority ethnic groups should just get on with it and stop taking it so seriously that their parents, grandparents and great grand parents were treated like second class citizens and that they themselves have reduced employment opportunities and a greater likelihood of being stopped and searched etc etc etc, when someone makes a joke at their expense. Suck it up, have a sense of humour. But my God, step on the right of that person to make a racist joke without comment or censure of any kind and they start wailing about reverse racism and PC gone mad.

Get a grip. he made a comment on tv, it was mildly racist and potentially offensive to some and he was given a warning for it. Nobody is advocating taking him out back and shooting him for it. And very few people in this forum are taking it as an indication he's anything more than a little thoughtless and insensitive.