[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

It's a combination of both. However, when you play Valencia and Young, whilst having Kagawa and Nani on the bench, it's down to the manager.

It's not down to the manager if the two players you mentioned (Valencia and Young) are in your expert opinion, not good enough (he didn't sign those players, he inherited them), Moyes doesn't make a pass for them, Moyes doesn't make a tackle for them, Moyes doesn't do their running for them, they do it themselves. their professional players on huge over the top wages, and if their not playing to their ability, then it say's to me that their attitude towards their work is not 100%, and they need to be shown the door and replaced by players that will show the right attitude.

You mention Nani, a player who no doubt as bundles of talent, so why doesn't he show it week in week out, he's had plenty of chances in the team, but has never shown any consistency, that's an attitude problem right there, primadonna comes to mind, which goes against the philosophy of the hard working class values of Moyes.

And the other was Kagawa, maybe Moyes doesn't see him as part of what he want's to build, maybe he thinks he's not good enough, he's hardly set the Premier League on fire as he?

You'd have to be very fickle about football to want rid of a manager two months into his job.

If you only blame the manager and not the players when things go wrong, then i'd expect you to only praise the manager and not the players when things go right.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by wannashag

And the other was Kagawa, maybe Moyes doesn't see him as part of what he want's to build, maybe he thinks he's not good enough, he's hardly set the Premier League on fire as he?

What is Moyes trying to build? Is there anything to actually build at Man U? Surely all Moyes needs to do is maintain. Judging by the signings - or lack of - and style of play, it looks like he's trying to build a team like his Everton team. If I were a Man U fan I wouldn't be happy with that, particularly in Europe. His style of play will get ripped apart by the top teams.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

What is Moyes trying to build? Is there anything to actually build at Man U? Surely all Moyes needs to do is maintain. Judging by the signings - or lack of - and style of play, it looks like he's trying to build a team like his Everton team. If I were a Man U fan I wouldn't be happy with that, particularly in Europe. His style of play will get ripped apart by the top teams.

Well if you want him to maintain, then by playing people like Ferdinand, Giggs, Young, Valencia ect ect, he is maintaining the team that Fergie had, but are those players playing to their potential? obviously not which is down to their own attitude.

Give the guy time to put his own philosophy's on that team and to see which of the current team he want's to play for him and which one's he needs to replace, he can only find that out by putting them on the pitch to see if they can give what he want.

It's a transitional period for them after having the same manager for the past 27 years, things just may take a little time to click, be patient and get behind your team would be my advice.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Well if you want him to maintain, then by playing people like Ferdinand, Giggs, Young, Valencia ect ect, he is maintaining the team that Fergie had, but are those players playing to their potential? obviously not which is down to their own attitude.

Give the guy time to put his own philosophy's on that team and to see which of the current team he want's to play for him and which one's he needs to replace, he can only find that out by putting them on the pitch to see if they can give what he want.

It's a transitional period for them after having the same manager for the past 27 years, things just may take a little time to click, be patient and get behind your team would be my advice.

I'm not a Man U fan so they are not my team.

In not rotating the squad and openly questioning the quality of the players he is failing to maintain anything. There is nothing to be built at Man U. His squad is considerably better than any squad he ever had at Everton but his lack of experience and his own misguided philosophies are costing a team whose supporters do not have a great deal of patience. His start has been disastrous so far and he's gonna have to learn quickly to get the season back on track.

Yes, he has been shown to be out of his depth so far as manager and I dont doubt any one of a number of other managers would have done better than him so far.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

In not rotating the squad and openly questioning the quality of the players he is failing to maintain anything.

Well you've just come up with the solution to all the problems, rotating the squad and not question the accountability of the players, is the pathway to success.

I might apply if it's that easy, Should Moyes gets sacked

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by wannashag

It's not down to the manager if the two players you mentioned (Valencia and Young) are in your expert opinion, not good enough (he didn't sign those players, he inherited them), Moyes doesn't make a pass for them, Moyes doesn't make a tackle for them, Moyes doesn't do their running for them, they do it themselves. their professional players on huge over the top wages, and if their not playing to their ability, then it say's to me that their attitude towards their work is not 100%, and they need to be shown the door and replaced by players that will show the right attitude.

First paragraph makes no sense. In this case why has any manager even been sacked if it's down to the players?

Valencia and Young are probably giving 100%. The issue is they're 'effin wank.


You mention Nani, a player who no doubt as bundles of talent, so why doesn't he show it week in week out, he's had plenty of chances in the team, but has never shown any consistency, that's an attitude problem right there, primadonna comes to mind, which goes against the philosophy of the hard working class values of Moyes.

I'm not a huge Nani fan. However, he's way ahead of the tripe Moyes chose to play before him. He needs to be given a run. Even though nobody really shone against West Brom, he was more dangerous than Valencia and Young combined in the league this season.

And the other was Kagawa, maybe Moyes doesn't see him as part of what he want's to build, maybe he thinks he's not good enough, he's hardly set the Premier League on fire as he?

If Moyes doesn't think Kagawa is good enough, yet seemingly believes Valencia is, then I lose any hope whatsoever.

You'd have to be very fickle about football to want rid of a manager two months into his job.

I didn't say I wanted him to be sacked.


If you only blame the manager and not the players when things go wrong, then i'd expect you to only praise the manager and not the players when things go right.

I haven't blamed just the manager. I said in a post you quoted 'it's a combination of both'...however the manager deserves flack when persisting with s-hit.

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