[Vanessa]

Yes. My sister and her husband always took the kids with them if they were eating out. Even when they were toddlers.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

None of that takes away from the fact that both dogs alerted to various places/things in the apartment though. No, there wasnt forensic evidence to back them up..dont think it was ever claimed that there was (though I have heard that blood that could be Madeleines was found ii the hire car, but they couldnt be sure as only 15 or the 19 something or others matched..not sure how valid that is) but to totally discount the whole dog thing based on this is ridiculous.

Martin Brunt on the DNA in 5A ,Hire car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8KYHYzvvqI

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What "Mother" could even think ,never mind put into print about her 3 years old childs genitals ?


http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/...anns-book.html

What do you mean? I think any Mother or Father for that matter would think some awful thoughts about what could be happening to their child if they believe the child was abducted by a paedophile? or would you just cover your eyes and ears and hum tunelessly

I really abhor what the McCanns did that night, personally I think you have to put your kids first where ever you are, after all you chose to have them, but equally I find some of the stuff that is awash on the about the couple equally distasteful. They have not been found guilty of anything other than being very stupid and neglectful, and until the police find evidence to arrest them, they remain just stupid and neglectful in my mind, nothing else.

[chuff me dizzy]

Martin Brunt "FULL DNA match to Maddie in hire car" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCZslgXCRo

[James]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The McCanns left at around 8.30. Gerry checked at around 9pm..apparently kids were all ok, he went to loo, had a chat with someone then went back to table (around 9.25). Oldfield checked kids at 9.30, but only saw twins, never thought to check Maddie was there. Quiet so assumed everything was fine. Kate checked kids at 10pm and realised Maddie was missing.

Gerry was only one to actually see Madeline between them leaving the apartment and Kate discovering she was gone.

So they were dining happily with their friends, with no indication that anything was wrong until 10 pm. I read that they raised the alarm with the resort and asked for the police to be called at 10:10 pm. So that is only 10 minutes in between?

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

There's a lot of rebuttals on that site involving the seven friends which shows the conspiracy theories must only hold up if the friends were covering things up? Which I said was highly unlikely.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Martin Brunt "FULL DNA match to Maddie in hire car" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCZslgXCRo

I found this comment interesting.

hi, Im from Portugal(sorry my bad english), here in my country everyone knows the truth because police as made a public explanation of investigation on tv. Madeleine unfornatly dies in the apartment with 100% certain of police investigators. She hit his head falling of apartment sofa. I care for madeleine parents, and i know all this situation is beeing really difficult for them . there is too much in game. their live as beeing a hell just because because they just cant tell the truth.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by James

So they were dining happily with their friends, with no indication that anything was wrong until 10 pm. I read that they raised the alarm with the resort and asked for the police to be called at 10:10 pm. So that is only 10 minutes in between?

Kate discovered her missing at 10pm (according to both timelines written by the Tapas 9). A search was started, the police werent called until nearer 11pm than 10 (think it was about 10.40 ish)

Mind I understand not calling the police immediately. She could have been hiding or something, they had to be certain she was gone.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Kate discovered her missing at 10pm (according to both timelines written by the Tapas 9). A search was started, the police werent called until nearer 11pm than 10 (think it was about 10.40 ish)

I find that really odd. Why not call the police straight away?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by James

There's a lot of rebuttals on that site involving the seven friends which shows the conspiracy theories must only hold up if the friends were covering things up? Which I said was highly unlikely.

But thats not true. If you read the statements of the friends.

That site does a terrible job of rebutting anything. Their main sources are news stories and McCann interviews (which the story changes in very often too)

They say a lot of the 'conspiracies' are misleading, yet their rebuttals are just as misleading.

[Kazanne]

There have been few mysteries in my time ,but this one is like a maze,so much has happened yet we seem to have little knowledge of where she is,there seems to be 'something' not right with her parents,just not sure what it is.

[Niamh.]

Just reading a little more about it atm and I came across this statement, I think it's a few years old, have they ever done one? That's also suspicious imo :

Neither Kate or Gerry have taken or indicate they will take a polygraph. Parents of missing children do this to clear themselves so the police will not waste time focusing on them.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id191.html

Originally Posted by Vicky.

None of that takes away from the fact that both dogs alerted to various places/things in the apartment though. No, there wasnt forensic evidence to back them up..dont think it was ever claimed that there was (though I have heard that blood that could be Madeleines was found ii the hire car, but they couldnt be sure as only 15 or the 19 something or others matched..not sure how valid that is) but to totally discount the whole dog thing based on this is ridiculous.

But they aren't quite as specific as people claiming foul play would have you believe. In fact, there is virtually no evidence that is ascertained from anything to do with the dogs. I was hearing last night, how one dog only detects the scent of death, and he picked it up in very specific places in a very specific way, but that's not true.

I even watched the YT clip of him searching the car, and he didn't give a 2nd thought about the car, until he was called back to it, then he suddenly found something.

There is nothing really for me to totally discount.

[Vanessa]

Why are they so convinced Maddie was kidnapped? She may have wondered off by herself.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I found this comment interesting.

hi, Im from Portugal(sorry my bad english), here in my country everyone knows the truth because police as made a public explanation of investigation on tv. Madeleine unfornatly dies in the apartment with 100% certain of police investigators. She hit his head falling of apartment sofa. I care for madeleine parents, and i know all this situation is beeing really difficult for them . there is too much in game. their live as beeing a hell just because because they just cant tell the truth.

case closed.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

case closed.

I don't know if this is true or not. I just thought it was interesting.

He is from Portugal, Cherie, and everyone in Portugal knows.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

He is from Portugal, Cherie, and everyone in Portugal knows.

I think accidental death is the most likely scenario.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just reading a little more about it atm and I came across this statement, I think it's a few years old, have they ever done one? That's also suspicious imo :

Neither Kate or Gerry have taken or indicate they will take a polygraph. Parents of missing children do this to clear themselves so the police will not waste time focusing on them.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id191.html

No they haven't.

Would clear a lot up.

I know polygraph tests aren't 100% reliable though. Maybe thats why..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just reading a little more about it atm and I came across this statement, I think it's a few years old, have they ever done one? That's also suspicious imo :

Neither Kate or Gerry have taken or indicate they will take a polygraph. Parents of missing children do this to clear themselves so the police will not waste time focusing on them.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id191.html

Kate said when they fled from Portugal ,the day after being made arguido that she was willing to take lie detector test, to date she has refused ,IMO before 1p of taxpayers money was handed over to them ,they should have been made to take one .. the idea to charge them in the early days came from the Uk police NOT Pj (or bumbling pj as the red tops like to call them ) Le Rainbow a criminal profiler who worked for the Home Offices report ........ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ts-brit-200689

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

But they aren't quite as specific as people claiming foul play would have you believe. In fact, there is virtually no evidence that is ascertained from anything to do with the dogs. I was hearing last night, how one dog only detects the scent of death, and he picked it up in very specific places in a very specific way, but that's not true.

I even watched the YT clip of him searching the car, and he didn't give a 2nd thought about the car, until he was called back to it, then he suddenly found something.

There is nothing really for me to totally discount.

Good for you. I wish I could be so sure, as this case wrecks my head completely.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Good for you. I wish I could be so sure, as this case wrecks my head completely.

I know. It's a real mystery.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No they haven't.

Would clear a lot up.

I know polygraph tests aren't 100% reliable though. Maybe thats why..

mmm I don't know, I guess again I'm just putting myself in their shoes, as a parent, if my baby just disappeared I would do anything at all that might help with the case, that would be my main priority, I couldn't imagine being too worried about whether or not I would fail it

[Ammi]

..One of the things that stood out on the interview for me was saying that Madeleine had woken up the night before and asked where they were...why would they say that, they knew the speculations so that would make them look worse, surely..so why would they do that of a conversation that didn't need to be told if they didn't want further speculations about them leaving her the second night...and if they were guilty of anything other than leaving the children, what would telling it achieve then...that it was possible that she woke up and had an accident/wandered off..?..but they've always maintained that she was 'taken'...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Kate said when they fled from Portugal ,the day after being made arguido that she was willing to take lie detector test, to date she has refused ,IMO before 1p of taxpayers money was handed over to them ,they should have been made to take one .. the idea to charge them in the early days came from the Uk police NOT Pj (or bumbling pj as the red tops like to call them ) Le Rainbow a criminal profiler who worked for the Home Offices report ........ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ts-brit-200689

Yes good point Chuff,you'de think it would be the first thing they would do,well one of the first,firstly I would look for her!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..One of the things that stood out on the interview for me was saying that Madeleine had woken up the night before and asked where they were...why would they say that, they knew the speculations so that would make them look worse, surely..so why would they do that of a conversation that didn't need to be told if they didn't want further speculations about them leaving her the second night...and if they were guilty of anything other than leaving the children, what would telling it achieve then...that it was possible that she woke up and had an accident/wandered off..?..but they've always maintained that she was 'taken'...

I know, i just find it odd. There's no evidence whatsoever that she was kidnapped. She could have wondered off by herself for example.