[the truth]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you don't know jack, the same as everyone else,
if there was enough proof to prove what happened it would of been out by now, even if it was for or against the mccanns

there is no cover up, just not enough hard evidence.

let the professionals do their jobs, not the bloody internet police putting two and two together coming up with five.

professionals? who david beckham? isn't that where the mccans went , then the Pope? The police have asked for public input, now theyre getting it, so whats the problem

[the truth]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-mortgage.html

charity funds used to pay their mortgage according to this

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

how can we justify spending millions on them and not on other missing children?
why too have these endless documentaries not mentioned madeleine had a mark on one eye , it may also be a different color?

No one could possibly justify the vast amount of money been thrown McCanns way esp after the millions donated to the "search fund they set up 6 DAYS after Maddies demise ,the eye thing ,early days police advised McCanns NOT to mention her eye as it could result as it could single her out and the "abductor" could harm her eye to prevent her being recognised, but McCanns ignored police advise and use the image in poster campaigns ,as Gerry said it was
"A good marketing ploy" since then they have played down her eye saying it was "just a tiny dot, hardly visible?????? they need to make their minds up

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by the truth

professionals? who david beckham? isn't that where the mccans went , then the Pope? The police have asked for public input, now theyre getting it, so whats the problem

if you have information on the case, give it to the police,
don't read thru evidence that they already have and claim you have proof.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

but some folk are more then happy to plod on believe the red tops and not giving a flying one for an innocent child

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

and are now also fighting for justice for Maddie

The irony of you accusing people of believing the red tops whilst dedicating years of your time to a case that centres around just one missing child that has become so well known and documented because of the tabloids is almost too good to be true

Originally Posted by the truth

how can we justify spending millions on them and not on other missing children?

It's called 'Missing White Girl Syndrome'. You compare this case to the Sharon Matthews' one and just look at how the media treated the family (before they discovered Karen was responsible), with Maddie it was 'this poor family, how could it happen to the child of two Doctors, this doesn't happen to people like us' whilst with Sharon it was 'well have you seen the area she was living in I'm not surprised' and bringing her background and family life into disrepute almost immediately after it happened. Didn't happen so quickly with the McCann's other than condemning them for leaving her alone

[Kazanne]

People all have differing opinions and it's really petty imo,to get ancy because someone doesn't agree with you ,also I see no trolls ,just people who have different opinions,some agree some don't,nothing to get arsey over,there ARE several sites and links that can be read and people can then make their own minds up.I doubt very much that Chuff goes by what the red tops say,from what I've seen there is more than enough information out there.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The irony of you accusing people of believing the red tops whilst dedicating years of your time to a case that centres around just one missing child that has become so well known and documented because of the tabloids is almost too good to be true



It's called 'Missing White Girl Syndrome'. You compare this case to the Sharon Matthews' one and just look at how the media treated the family (before they discovered Karen was responsible), with Maddie it was 'this poor family, how could it happen to the child of two Doctors, this doesn't happen to people like us' whilst with Sharon it was 'well have you seen the area she was living in I'm not surprised' and bringing her background and family life into disrepute almost immediately after it happened. Didn't happen so quickly with the McCann's other than condemning them for leaving her alone

Shannon Matthews was a missing white girl also

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Shannon Matthews was a missing white girl also

Yeah I totally get what Jack was meaning though, both girls were from completely different backgrounds.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah I totally get what Jack was meaning though, both girls were from completely different backgrounds.

I get that bit, I just don't see what race has to do with it, especially since they're both white

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

professionals? who david beckham? isn't that where the mccans went , then the Pope? The police have asked for public input, now theyre getting it, so whats the problem

You forgot to mention JK Rowling,Richard Branson,Brian Kennedy (Everest double glazing ) who threw millions their way,I would love to know what happened to Elton John ,who Gerry said (48 days in ) was going to do a concert for the fund to mark the 100 days anniversary ,how did the McCanns know she would not be home by then ? The day the McCanns asked the public for Ł$ they became public property ,and should remember the old saying "Be careful what you wish for if could come back and bite you on the arse "

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I get that bit, I just don't see what race has to do with it, especially since they're both white

I don't really get why they make a point of only including race in the saying either tbh it's really to describe contrasting victims, whether that be race, social background, looks or whatever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing...woman_syndrome

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't really get why they make a point of only including race in the saying either tbh it's really to describe contrasting victims, whether that be race, social background, looks or whatever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing...woman_syndrome

oh it's an actual phrase? the name is a bit inaccurate but they definitely make good points, if the McCanns had been working class and had been at the pub rather then at a restaurant, they would have been a whole lot more criticism of their parenting skills imo and I don't think people would be excusing it as a mistake or error in judgement

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Same for me Kizzy,I am not saying they have done anything wrong BUT I cannot dismiss a lot of things that are there in black and white and even some shades of grey,I posted the pic simply because it is strange to me that someone who had lost a child could even raise the strength to walkabout,plus it is not the only picture like this on the net.there are quite a lot!!!,I just find that reaction weird,I am not asking anyone else to feel the same,we all have our opinions and mine is total confusion and this reaction to ME is totally alien.

BIB - That's where they can't win really. Some people thought it strange that they wouldn't be searching tirelessly themselves for their little girl and then other people find it strange that they have the strength to go on a walkabout.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

If only people would come off of playing silly quizzes and take a day or 2 to read the police files ,witness statement as thousands of people have, they would see the larger picture, but some folk are more then happy to plod on believe the red tops and not giving a flying one for an innocent child ,as long they are ok ,sod the rest, gladly thats not my attitude or thousands of others, since Crimewatch aired 7 days ago,one group alone that I am in has had 11,000 new members who HAVE read files etc ,and are now also fighting for justice for Maddie

Keyboard warriors. YOU aren't going to achieve anything sat behind your computer reposting links on the internet.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

For the first time in over 6 years I think the press is finally waking up to what happened, this is from the Mirror, read all the comments and see how many "likes" they got ,and the rare thing is usually within half an hour of comments being allowed they are all removed and comments not allowed ,it give me hope that finally someone is opening their eyes and letting talk about the police side of the case too, hoping this is the breakthrough we have waited for http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/vile-tr...mccann-2472668

You mean the tabloids didn't already write all kinds of venom about the McCann's years ago? Uh, oh yeah, they did.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

People all have differing opinions and it's really petty imo,to get ancy because someone doesn't agree with you ,also I see no trolls ,just people who have different opinions,some agree some don't,nothing to get arsey over,there ARE several sites and links that can be read and people can then make their own minds up.I doubt very much that Chuff goes by what the red tops say,from what I've seen there is more than enough information out there.

Oh yes a lot than enough ,but its being ignored ,and people should be curious to why its being ignored ,the day I believe even the date
on a red top is a long way off

[GypsyGoth]

Does anyone else find it suspicious that they got matching "I killed Maddie and got away with it" tattoos?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

People all have differing opinions and it's really petty imo,to get ancy because someone doesn't agree with you ,also I see no trolls ,just people who have different opinions,some agree some don't,nothing to get arsey over,there ARE several sites and links that can be read and people can then make their own minds up.I doubt very much that Chuff goes by what the red tops say,from what I've seen there is more than enough information out there.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Oh yes a lot than enough ,but its being ignored ,and people should be curious to why its being ignored ,the day I believe even the date
on a red top is a long way off

This is hilarious to me because Chuff is the one getting arsey with everyone else for not swallowing everything she says or daring to question some of her points.

Instead of responding with an answer, she throws passive aggressive comments insulting you.

No point engaging on a discussion forum unless you want to actually discuss and not just dictate.

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Does anyone else find it suspicious that they got matching "I killed Maddie and got away with it" tattoos?

Me drinking vimto squash reading this.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Does anyone else find it suspicious that they got matching "I killed Maddie and got away with it" tattoos?

That will be a FACT tomorrow.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

This is hilarious to me because Chuff is the one getting arsey with everyone else for not swallowing everything she says or daring to question some of her points.

Instead of responding with an answer, she throws passive aggressive comments insulting you.

No point engaging on a discussion forum unless you want to actually discuss and not just dictate.

There are certain types of people who are not capable of discussing the weather never mind a more deeper thing ,I can and will discuss with the right type of people until the cows come home, but people who play Candy Crush all day ? No thanks

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you don't know jack, the same as everyone else,
if there was enough proof to prove what happened it would of been out by now, even if it was for or against the mccanns

there is no cover up, just not enough hard evidence.

let the professionals do their jobs, not the bloody internet police putting two and two together coming up with five.

How many of the police statements have you read? how many files have you looked at ?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

There are certain types of people who are not capable of discussing the weather never mind a more deeper thing ,I can and will discuss with the right type of people until the cows come home, but people who play Candy Crush all day ? No thanks

You've not attempted discussion with anyone and made immature presumptions on their ability to have a conversation.

It's hard to engage in discussion with someone who tells you to **** off before you've opened your mouth.

[Lee.]

Chuff, what do you think actually happened that day in Portugal? I'm not being arsey, I'm genuinely interested.

[Kazanne]

This thread isn't about scoring points on who is right and who is wrong ,none of us know,but we ARE allowed opinions whether they conflict or not without being shot down,as parents I think they were negligent and should have been brought to task on that(there now I've said it)I hadn't read too much on it until the Crimewatch aired,now I have seen and heard some things that just don't sit right,so shoot me now,I don't know what happened but I 'feel' something is not right,hope I'm wrong.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

oh it's an actual phrase? the name is a bit inaccurate but they definitely make good points, if the McCanns had been working class and had been at the pub rather then at a restaurant, they would have been a whole lot more criticism of their parenting skills imo and I don't think people would be excusing it as a mistake or error in judgement

They'd have been lucky if it made front page news in the first place... let alone major headlines several times a week for months, and front pages 7 years later.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I really didn't want to quote you here, but as you've indirectly quoted me, then I sort of have to really. Your post above seems reasonable enough. Just personal opinion no advancement of your own views, etc etc.

Lets ask Kizzy from the previous page what she thinks about the evidence:



Right, so the links in this thread are not meant to prove anything, but they are evidence, and not heresay?

Well that's wrong as well. Just by picking apart one piece of the facts on display from those links, which is easily done with the dogs, for example, then the whole thing is called into question. They aren't facts. It's an internet trolling group that get together to hound the McCanns, because they are convinced of their guilt. Chuff has made that perfectly clear in this thread already. When you click the links, they aren't people who are just throwing interesting things about the case into the public arena for s**ts and giggles, they're doing it to try and provide "evidence" for the guilt of the McCanns

Witness statements are notoriously unreliable because of the way the human brain works to recall information, and especially in times of great stress. There are no solid facts to be found in this case other than a child is missing, that's it. So speculating about photo's and the grieving process with hints and double entendre is really neither here nor there.

I am reasonable, all my responses have been rational and reasoned.
The links provided by both chuff and josy have provided factual information on witness statements, whether or not you choose to accept that or not is your choice, nobody else is forced to take your interpretation are they?
Reading as much information as you can and staying objective is key I think.