[Verbal]

Imagine a world where disabled people are actually Doctors...just incase you don't get my sarcasm, there are disabled Doctors in the world....

One of the greatest minds in history is severely disabled and has to rely on other people for absolutely every aspect of his care. Edit: Professor Stephen Hawkings.

The average person with a disability does far far more than a regular everyday person who is perfectly healthy. I could list you scores of healthy people who are nothing more than a drain on society. I can't name you one disabled person who is.

Please, don't single disabled people out as being the weaker, disposable aspect of society. Because its simply not true.

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Originally Posted by Verbal

Imagine a world where disabled people are actually Doctors...just incase you don't get my sarcasm, there are disabled Doctors in the world....

One of the greatest minds in history is severely disabled and has to rely on other people for absolutely every aspect of his care. Edit: Professor Stephen Hawkings.

The average person with a disability does far far more than a regular everyday person who is perfectly healthy. I could list you scores of healthy people who are nothing more than a drain on society. I can't name you one disabled person who is.

Please, don't single disabled people out as being the weaker, disposable aspect of society. Because its simply not true.

Well said verbal, I couldn't agree more!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Imagine a world where disabled people are actually Doctors...just incase you don't get my sarcasm, there are disabled Doctors in the world....

One of the greatest minds in history is severely disabled and has to rely on other people for absolutely every aspect of his care. Edit: Professor Stephen Hawkings.

The average person with a disability does far far more than a regular everyday person who is perfectly healthy. I could list you scores of healthy people who are nothing more than a drain on society. I can't name you one disabled person who is.

Please, don't single disabled people out as being the weaker, disposable aspect of society. Because its simply not true.

To be fair to the OP the example he gave was "someone with a severe disability who may well do little more than exist" he didn't just say disabled people in general

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

To be fair to the OP the example he gave was "someone with a severe disability who may well do little more than exist" he didn't just say disabled people in general

Using disabled people in such an argument as this, smacks of ignorance, prejudice and the kind of thing a Daily Mail reading Tory would say, they are an easy target. They have no place being named in this discussion. Before my post 3 different posts singled them out.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Using disabled people in such an argument as this, smacks of ignorance, prejudice and the kind of thing a Daily Mail reading Tory would say, they are an easy target. They have no place being named in this discussion. Before my post 3 different posts singled them out.

They were using the example the OP gave

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They were using the example the OP gave

Yes, which was unfairly singling people out. Why am I defending myself? I made a genuine point, i'll be accused of trolling next.

If the OP had said:

Do you think all people are equally valuable?
Or do you think it can be disproportionate, e.g. someone who is a Muslim on the dole, who may well do little more than exist, vs a doctor who saves plenty of lives?

The topic would have been removed before it even started. Yet somehow disabled people are seen as a legitimate target.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Yes, which was unfairly singling people out. Why am I defending myself? I made a genuine point, i'll be accused of trolling next.

If the OP had said:

Do you think all people are equally valuable?
Or do you think it can be disproportionate, e.g. someone who is a Muslim on the dole, who may well do little more than exist, vs a doctor who saves plenty of lives?

The topic would have been removed before it even started. Yet somehow disabled people are seen as a legitimate target.

No need to jump the gun Verbal, we can discuss it without getting defensive. I think the example the OP gave was basically trying to give two extremes, one person who is dependent on other people to live and one person who's saves peoples lives everyday. He wasn't lumping all disabled people into one and he wasn't lumping all non disabled people into one either

Typical Niamh, always slagging the disabled off.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No need to jump the gun Verbal, we can discuss it without getting defensive. I think the example the OP gave was basically trying to give two extremes, one person who is dependent on other people to live and one person who's saves peoples lives everyday. He wasn't lumping all disabled people into one and he wasn't lumping all non disabled people into one either

Thats fine, I was just making my point to not stereotype people. Thats all I wanted to achieve.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

To be fair to the OP the example he gave was "someone with a severe disability who may well do little more than exist" he didn't just say disabled people in general

Why do we have to be fair to the OP?..
He suggested that there should be a definition between able bodied and disabled people...
Where is this demarcation between the two, when do you decide someone is not as economically viable?
A little more information would help as this is a little too black and white at the minute.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why do we have to be fair to the OP?..
He suggested that there should be a definition between able bodied and disabled people...
Where is this demarcation between the two, when do you decide someone is not as economically viable?
A little more information would help as this is a little too black and white at the minute.

He was using an example. I dont think he meant us to take his words literally.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

He was using an example. I dont think he meant us to take his words literally.

Do you think all people are equally valuable?

That was the question, how can you not attach a literal interpretation to that, maybe it needs to be more specific as to in what way can you be considered 'valuable'?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Do you think all people are equally valuable?

That was the question, how can you not attach a literal interpretation to that, maybe it needs to be more specific as to in what way can you be considered 'valuable'?

He does prefix the comparison with 'e.g' thus I think he's saying for example but if you want to take his words literally then that's up to you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

He does prefix the comparison with 'e.g' thus I think he's saying for example but if you want to take his words literally then that's up to you.

Yes that was held up literally as an example the 'valuable scale', what other conclusion could be drawn?

All people have the potential to be of equal value. Not everyone chooses to, or is physically able to fulfill that potential.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Imagine a world where disabled people are actually Doctors...just incase you don't get my sarcasm, there are disabled Doctors in the world....

One of the greatest minds in history is severely disabled and has to rely on other people for absolutely every aspect of his care. Edit: Professor Stephen Hawkings.

The average person with a disability does far far more than a regular everyday person who is perfectly healthy. I could list you scores of healthy people who are nothing more than a drain on society. I can't name you one disabled person who is.

Please, don't single disabled people out as being the weaker, disposable aspect of society. Because its simply not true.

Hence I said 'severely' and I was just using it as an example, hence the 'e.g.', for God's sake.

There are many different forms of disability, such as mental (along with physical). I absolutely was not simply referring to someone in a wheelchair but other forms of disability that do restrict general ability.

Nor is everything I say supposed to be taken literally. I'd expect you to be able to place it into context.

Lord almighty.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Imagine a world where disabled people are actually Doctors...just incase you don't get my sarcasm, there are disabled Doctors in the world....

One of the greatest minds in history is severely disabled and has to rely on other people for absolutely every aspect of his care. Edit: Professor Stephen Hawkings.

The average person with a disability does far far more than a regular everyday person who is perfectly healthy. I could list you scores of healthy people who are nothing more than a drain on society. I can't name you one disabled person who is.

Please, don't single disabled people out as being the weaker, disposable aspect of society. Because its simply not true.

quality post. people who continue their lives and strive to live a good life with all sorts of disabilities or in some cases with diseases are an absolute inspiration. beyond that a disability can also strengthen a person in other ways, whether that be in terms of the ways they think or problem solve or their strength of spirit and determination or the optimism too....Ive worked with people with all sorts of disability and found I infinitely more enjoyable, fun and rewarding than working with so called able bodied people. life is strange