[Cherie]

Can't believe they managed to publish the book never mind sell it.

[Ammi]

Youtube video

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Youtube video

Yes American Evil

[Lee.]

Erm, I can take my children to a restaurant without causing a disturbance without ever feeling the need to beat them with sticks! Bloody hell! Why/how could anybody think that these sort of techniques will do children good??

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Youtube video

I'll watch that later

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Erm, I can take my children to a restaurant without causing a disturbance without ever feeling the need to beat them with sticks! Bloody hell! Why/how could anybody think that these sort of techniques will do children good??

Yeah, I know it's as if people think if you don't hit your kids they're going to be out of control lunatics. My children were always well behaved as young kids and now and I have never hit them

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Erm, I can take my children to a restaurant without causing a disturbance without ever feeling the need to beat them with sticks! Bloody hell! Why/how could anybody think that these sort of techniques will do children good??

I can take mine anywhere and they have never been punished, in any way, physical or otherwise... but these people will always lie in order to peddle their madness. The best way to gain a child's respect (as is true with ANY person), at any age, is mutual respect. A child who likes you, enjoys spending time with you, and feels like an equal will have no desire to "act up" in the first place so no threat of punishment is needed. It's a simple enough concept. Doesn't really fill books though so there's no money to be made from it.

The Pearls are the worst of it but there are plenty of Pearl-lites out there doing just as much damage... e.g. Tizzie cry-it-out Hall, who advocates putting an extra layer of bedding under your 1 year old, so that when you leave them to cry so much that they VOMIT, you can quickly remove the soiled bedding without picking them up. She also recommends piling them under 10 to 15 blankets so that they "sleep well". She's a one woman SIDS machine.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I know it's as if people think if you don't hit your kids they're going to be out of control lunatics.

It's a self-justification process; usually they did / do hit their own children so they have to make it "necessary" in their minds in order to make it OK... and so, people who don't do the same must be raising brats.

It's some of the worst logic I've ever heard, though... one of the absolute basics of child psychology is that they're little behavioural sponges for the first couple of years. If you hit them when they don't do what you want, you're teaching them to hit others when they don't do what they want. And very little else!

[the truth]

who wrote that?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by the truth

who wrote that?

It tells you in the OP who wrote it..

[Ninastar]

im all for stricter parenting but this is barbaric.

[Niall]

I saw posts about this book floating around Tumblr in the past couple days and I was shocked enough to see Amazon and the publishers letting it through, but to see people seriously adhering to its 'advice'? I can't believe parents could be so callous and evil to their children. You don't beat another adult with a belt/wooden spoon/plastic tubing when they wrong you, so what makes it right to do it to someone more than half your age and size?

It's even more twisted to see people proclaim this in the name of Christianity. If God is love, then wouldn't it follow that you never lay a hand on a child? There are just so many things wrong with this that I could be here till next week talking about it..

[the truth]

who wrote that?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niall

I saw posts about this book floating around Tumblr in the past couple days and I was shocked enough to see Amazon and the publishers letting it through, but to see people seriously adhering to its 'advice'? I can't believe parents could be so callous and evil to their children. You don't beat another adult with a belt/wooden spoon/plastic tubing when they wrong you, so what makes it right to do it to someone more than half your age and size?

It's even more twisted to see people proclaim this in the name of Christianity. If God is love, then wouldn't it follow that you never lay a hand on a child? There are just so many things wrong with this that I could be here till next week talking about it..

Theyre deranged....just as some people watch movies and then do copy cat killings? can we ban all movies, all religion, all music etc etc etc impossible. we need to be more vigilant and weed out nutjobs and also take weapons off the streets too which make it easier for nutjobs to wreak havoc

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a self-justification process; usually they did / do hit their own children so they have to make it "necessary" in their minds in order to make it OK... and so, people who don't do the same must be raising brats.

It's some of the worst logic I've ever heard, though... one of the absolute basics of child psychology is that they're little behavioural sponges for the first couple of years. If you hit them when they don't do what you want, you're teaching them to hit others when they don't do what they want. And very little else!

Yes, exactly, I mean that makes so much sense, I don't get how logically people don't see that. I mean you would be arrested it you hit another adult but people still think hitting a little child is ok? It makes no sense at all to me.

And in regards to your other post about that other book That is pretty vile, leaving your baby cry till she/he vomits?? Jesus christ, I don't even know what to say about that

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes, exactly, I mean that makes so much sense, I don't get how logically people don't see that. I mean you would be arrested it you hit another adult but people still think hitting a little child is ok? It makes no sense at all to me.

And in regards to your other post about that other book That is pretty vile, leaving your baby cry till she/he vomits?? Jesus christ, I don't even know what to say about that

The "cult of Tizzie" is insane... at one point, she had thousands of people paying Ł30 a month each to be members of her one-on-one advice forum. That says it all, really. The money she was making by teaching parents how to "break" their children was insane. It seems to have died down a bit since then (she was in the mainstream media a lot for a while) but I assume she's still around. I stepped back from the whole "battle" (campaigning for respectful parenting) over 6 months ago, I was becoming genuinely depressed with it.

Some of her followers are genuinely mental - at one point, we had the top google search result for "is Tizzie Hall dangerous?" ... that was a can of worms! Had quite a few angry, ranting messages and one actual death threat defending her . Not a serious one obviously, the usual internet hot air, but still... totally ridiculous.

The Pearl's followers are even worse from what I've heard, really obsessive and protective of them. I guess the more extreme the advice is, the more extreme the followers are.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The "cult of Tizzie" is insane... at one point, she had thousands of people paying Ł30 a month each to be members of her one-on-one advice forum. That says it all, really. The money she was making by teaching parents how to "break" their children was insane. It seems to have died down a bit since then (she was in the mainstream media a lot for a while) but I assume she's still around. I stepped back from the whole "battle" (campaigning for respectful parenting) over 6 months ago, I was becoming genuinely depressed with it.

Some of her followers are genuinely mental - at one point, we had the top google search result for "is Tizzie Hall dangerous?" ... that was a can of worms! Had quite a few angry, ranting messages and one actual death threat defending her . Not a serious one obviously, the usual internet hot air, but still... totally ridiculous.

The Pearl's followers are even worse from what I've heard, really obsessive and protective of them. I guess the more extreme the advice is, the more extreme the followers are.

It's genuinely upsetting thinking about that many parents thinking along those lines. Even the term "break" your children should sound all wrong to parents? Surely they need to be protected and taught not broken, it's maddening just how many assholes are out there in charge of innocent little childrens lives like that.

These Pearl followers and also probably Tizzie Halls all sound like members of some ****ed up cult where control and will bending is a top priority to keep members in line

[Niamh.]

Here's another article i found an interesting read :

The Pearls strongly advocate for the spanking of children—even those who have committed minor infractions—saying that God demands that parents spank. The Pearls suggest that spankers use implements rather than the hand, because “hands are for loving and helping,” despite the fact one study shows that physical punishment with an implement is more likely to lead to physical abuse than if no implement is used.
http://religiouschildmaltreatment.co...ter-to-zariah/

[Z]

This is shocking... how is this allowed?

[Niamh.]

here's a list of the 5 worst parenting books............not surprisingly this one is No1

http://evolutionaryparenting.com/fiv...renting-books/

[GiRTh]

Just wow. These Christian crazies are far more dangerous than people think.

[Niamh.]

I know, I pity the poor children that are born into these families

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

here's a list of the 5 worst parenting books............not surprisingly this one is No1

http://evolutionaryparenting.com/fiv...renting-books/

LMAO

The number two book on that list is also by Christian Crazies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Becoming_Baby_Wise

This gem advocates starving your children.

[Kizzy]

I don't know how they have the cheek to call themselves human let alone christian
There would be uproar if someone advocated mistreating a dog like this, but as it's their own flesh and blood that in a warped way makes it acceptable?

[Kizzy]

I don't know how they have the cheek to call themselves human let alone christian
There would be uproar if someone advocated mistreating a dog like this, but as it's their own flesh and blood that in a warped way makes it acceptable?