[arista]

Ch4News Live


Tony Blair
the War Criminal - I say
shredded the 1946 agreement


A MP
from 2007 can not say - due to the secrets act


[Exclusive: Tony Blair's government allowed America to store and analyse the email, mobile phone and internet records of potentially millions of innocent Britons, Channel 4 News can reveal.]


http://www.channel4.com/news/nsa-edw...ain-tony-blair


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-personal-data

[the truth]

lovely man mr bliar....please note English voters don't ever vote a man because he sounds posh and clever , try backing the bald giner Welshman if hes basically a better human being, which Kinnock was and is

[Kizzy]

It was at a time of huge change due to the very real threat of terrorism though. The Civil Contingencies Act did make it easier to access data, but only when there is a perceived threat.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was at a time of huge change due to the very real threat of terrorism though. The Civil Contingencies Act did make it easier to access data, but only when there is a perceived threat.

and what did our western leaders to prevent this threat from growing and growing? put hand picked dictators in charge across the middle east and south America....load them up with lethal weapons, kept their people poor....
then when they stopped playing ball, bombed their people? then we give them a little bit of charity money to make our leaders look benevolent....al capone gave to charity, lovely man, he was empowered by the kennedys , he killed many but who cares, but when he avoided taxes , now that the government took seriously so only then did they lock him up

I digress

none of the 911 terrorists came from Iraq or Afghanistan.
after their people had been bombed for decades previously, youd think our leaders would show a modicum of humanity towards them, hadn't they suffered enough? obviously not.....money is worth far far more than human life to these sick war mongering self serving bastards

The Iraq war was surely the worst war crime since the Nazis terrorised Europe and beyond

[Ninastar]

potentially saving the lives of thousands is a bad thing now?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

potentially saving the lives of thousands is a bad thing now?

Not in that Evil Deadly London Bombing


Was it Legal
in UK Law what Warmonger Blair did.

[arista]

"The Iraq war was surely the worst war crime"



Yes a Bush / Blair Criminal Invasion



Todays Guardian


[Tony Blair's Labour government
'allowed U.S. to analyse internet
and email details of millions of Britons'
Channel 4 News claims to have seen
documents from NSA whistleblower
Edward Snowden
The NSA was 'given the go-ahead
to analyse British landline numbers from 2004'
That agreement 'extended to
mobile phones, emails and
internet use later on' ]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2lH7mRfP9

[Livia]

Labour. It doesn't matter what they do, some people will make excuses for them. It's hilarious. Imagine for a minute it had been Cameron who'd allowed this... try to picture what this thread would look like. Amusing, no?

[Kizzy]

Sorry but this goes beyond the very boring 'us and them myth.
The fact is we were seeing a new phenomena, the suicide bomber. 'Home grown' British individuals that were indoctrinated by extremists to wreak havoc on the west in the name of Islam.
That's the reason for the evidence based surveillance, it was a preventative strategy.
Did I agree with the war? No.

[Nedusa]

I shudder every time I am forced to listen about yet another revelation about Tony B.liar

If ever a man justified the title of profiteering War criminal it is him.......the man was morally unfit ever to hold political high office yet alone the post of Prime Minister.

To hold such high disregard for human life that he would falsify the reasons to start a War and then prosecute that war regardless of the cost in the lives of all that perished on ALL sides is nothing short of the actions of a mass murdering dictator.

he has earned his place along side Margaret Thatcher down in depths of Hell where hopefully he will soon take up residence.............!!!!!

[Kizzy]

Who was hs advisor prior to the war? Thatcher...
She took Britain to war 'on principle' thanks to a glossy ad campaign by Saachi and Saachi.
She sold the WMD everyone was looking for...
They were both war criminals of the same ilk, and like her Cameron is shmoozing with despots and selling his wares.
The timing of this expose is great isn't it? Get in there early with a dig at Labour and (democratically led) America...
But what about what's happening here... now?....
What's next from the mail, Ralph Millliband ate my hamster??

[Livia]

Oh that's okay then... if he was worried about suicide bombers it's only right he should let a foreign power snoop of British citizens; British citizens who don't even want their own government snooping on them. And what about that threat now? Has it gone away?

Glib remarks about the Falklands conflict are a kick in the face for all the soldiers who fought for the liberty of people who wanted to remain British. My father was in the Parachute Regiment, he fought in the Falklands, and I can assure you that Saatchi and Saatchi weren't on board his ship.

However Cameron Schmoozes, however he conducts himself, he will never be so deplorable as the man who took us to war on a lie. On. A. Lie. And now he's a peace envoy to the Middle East. It would be funny if it wasn't so disgusting.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh that's okay then... if he was worried about suicide bombers it's only right he should let a foreign power snoop of British citizens; British citizens who don't even want their own government snooping on them. And what about that threat now? Has it gone away?

Glib remarks about the Falklands conflict are a kick in the face for all the soldiers who fought for the liberty of people who wanted to remain British. My father was in the Parachute Regiment, he fought in the Falklands, and I can assure you that Saatchi and Saatchi weren't on board his ship.

However Cameron Schmoozes, However he conducts himself, he will never be so deplorable as the man who took us to war on a lie. On. A. Lie. And now he's a peace envloy to the Middle East. It would be funny if it wasn't so disgusting.

Well said....!!!!!!

Benjamin Franklin was correct when he said it, and he still is today.

[Kizzy]

Yes it was a multi agency approach, it's an international threat so it's important we work together. That makes sense to me.
There are protections for individuals, it's just those for whom there is evidence and that is why it was written into law to override those.
I for one have made no glib comments, or insulted servicemen and women or the public. All I did say was the public were influenced into supporting a war that was unnecessary, to me that is wrong.
Neither did I suggest the advertising agency was onboard please don't twist my posts or misquote me.
What anyones opinion of Tony Blair is is of no interest to me, I have said I don't agree with taking the country to war.
Cameron has only just started with his managed decline of the UK, to me that's deplorable.
I reiterate, the media is being used as a tool to discredit the Labour party using the past.
I hope they can counter this, without resorting to dirty politics.

[Livia]

The media is being used as a tool to discredit the Labour Party. LOL... Oh come on, they don't need any help from anyone.

No you didn't say Saatchi was on board ship. I forgot for a second that you're a complete literalist when it comes to your own posts, not so much with other people's.

What you have said makes no sense Kizzy. None. You're upholding the right for a foreign power to snoop on British citizens because the person who gave the okay wasn't a Tory. You can use as many words as you like... you still can't make this one run.

I'm not discussing this with you any more. I've said all I have to say, and you're just going to get further and further away from the point while you flounder around for some kind of justification. Enjoy.

[Kizzy]

I wasn't discussing anything with you in the first instance livia, I was just having my say on the issue.
We worked together at the time with the Americans as we were both at risk from international terrorism, whatever spin has been put on that due to political bias is relevant here imo.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sorry but this goes beyond the very boring 'us and them myth.
The fact is we were seeing a new phenomena, the suicide bomber. 'Home grown' British individuals that were indoctrinated by extremists to wreak havoc on the west in the name of Islam.
That's the reason for the evidence based surveillance, it was a preventative strategy.
Did I agree with the war? No.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes it was a multi agency approach, it's an international threat so it's important we work together. That makes sense to me.
There are protections for individuals, it's just those for whom there is evidence and that is why it was written into law to override those.
I for one have made no glib comments, or insulted servicemen and women or the public. All I did say was the public were influenced into supporting a war that was unnecessary, to me that is wrong.
Neither did I suggest the advertising agency was onboard please don't twist my posts or misquote me.
What anyones opinion of Tony Blair is is of no interest to me, I have said I don't agree with taking the country to war.
Cameron has only just started with his managed decline of the UK, to me that's deplorable.
I reiterate, the media is being used as a tool to discredit the Labour party using the past.
I hope they can counter this, without resorting to dirty politics.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wasn't discussing anything with you in the first instance livia, I was just having my say on the issue.
We worked together at the time with the Americans as we were both at risk from international terrorism, whatever spin has been put on that due to political bias is relevant here imo.

You responded to me. Twice. That's a discussion.

[the truth]

Labour USED TO BE a PARTY OF TRUE deeply held ideals.....the last lot were a bunch of stinking crooks.......bliar was 20 times worse even than the evil thatcher
the gap between rich and poor grew even wider under labour,,,illegal wars, millions hurt or killed or homeless, endless corruption, abuse of civil rights as we see, the collapse of public services despite pumping billions more into them, the cops have gotten almost redundant and the nhs stinks from top to bottom....all thanks to labour...scum bags

the legends like neu bevan would be turning in their grave and poor old tony benn tried his best to expose them all, weapons of mass distraction , damn right mr benn as usual

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

Labour USED TO BE a PARTY OF TRUE deeply held ideals.....the last lot were a bunch of stinking crooks.......bliar was 20 times worse even than the evil thatcher
the gap between rich and poor grew even wider under labour,,,illegal wars, millions hurt or killed or homeless, endless corruption, abuse of civil rights as we see, the collapse of public services despite pumping billions more into them, the cops have gotten almost redundant and the nhs stinks from top to bottom....all thanks to labour...scum bags

the legends like neu bevan would be turning in their grave and poor old tony benn tried his best to expose them all, weapons of mass distraction , damn right mr benn as usual

Tony Benn was the best leader the Labour Party never had.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

Labour USED TO BE a PARTY OF TRUE deeply held ideals.....the last lot were a bunch of stinking crooks.......bliar was 20 times worse even than the evil thatcher
the gap between rich and poor grew even wider under labour,,,illegal wars, millions hurt or killed or homeless, endless corruption, abuse of civil rights as we see, the collapse of public services despite pumping billions more into them, the cops have gotten almost redundant and the nhs stinks from top to bottom....all thanks to labour...scum bags

the legends like neu bevan would be turning in their grave and poor old tony benn tried his best to expose them all, weapons of mass distraction , damn right mr benn as usual

From all I have read and been told, Tony Benn was branded almost a madman and the leader of the loony left.

It is really odd that now his idea of cooling all with with Europe and in fact leaving Europe altogether is now policy actually near being led by the right wing Conservative party.
I have read a fair few of his books and to me he talked far more sense past and present than anyone does most of the time now even.
Yet he was dismissed by the Tory right as a left wing loony.

I would have liked to have seen where we may have been now had his ideas been adopted as policy and implemented.
He is definaitely a man and a Politician I certainly could respect as a conviction Politician.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

From all I have read and been told, Tony Benn was branded almost a madman and the leader of the loony left.

It is really odd that now his idea of cooling all with with Europe and in fact leaving Europe altogether is now policy actually near being led by the right wing Conservative party.
I have read a fair few of his books and to me he talked far more sense past and present than anyone does most of the time now even.
Yet he was dismissed by the Tory right as a left wing loony.

I would have liked to have seen where we may have been now had his ideas been adopted as policy and implemented.
He is definaitely a man and a Politician I certainly could respect as a conviction Politician.

Anthony wedgewood benn is 24 carrot gold. A delightful man, a profoundly learned man, a warm caring, genuine, loving man and a genius.He was also hilarious. no man in modern politics had his grasp of history and an ability to apply it to any given situation. He was born a titled man born into hereditary wealth but gave up the titles and joined the socialist movement like his dad before him. spending an extraordinary 46 years in parliament...he had several government jobs over the years secretary of state, he was energy minister, industry, technology and foreign secretary etc

one of his great heroes was fellow parliamentarian and another giant, Lloyd George. Its incredible to think he was a friend of Lloyd George and worked in parliament with the likes of Churchill and aneurin bevan right through to Wilson Callaghan thatcher major blair brown.....tony benn was there right through it all.....always telling it like it is...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqOvBKnKdk

[the truth]

hers tony benn risking life and limb to go and interview saddam in Iraq just months before we invaded them illegally....hes the only politician saddam would speak to....benn knew then they didn't have wmd's yet we listened to blairs lies instead....shame on us all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxHtQ1__qUc

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You responded to me. Twice. That's a discussion.

I may have picked up on one or two things you said in reference to my comments that's all.
My post was just making my stance on the issue clear. For everyone. I've quoted you now so know this is just for you, this is a discussion, this is me closing the discussion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

From all I have read and been told, Tony Benn was branded almost a madman and the leader of the loony left.

It is really odd that now his idea of cooling all with with Europe and in fact leaving Europe altogether is now policy actually near being led by the right wing Conservative party.
I have read a fair few of his books and to me he talked far more sense past and present than anyone does most of the time now even.
Yet he was dismissed by the Tory right as a left wing loony.

I would have liked to have seen where we may have been now had his ideas been adopted as policy and implemented.
He is definaitely a man and a Politician I certainly could respect as a conviction Politician.

That seems to be the way doesn't it when someone is making sense to mock them?
He seems a great man and I intend to read more of his good works.
It's about time we turned the tables on these conservatives and make a mockery of them!
Your going to do what?... pull out of Europe so you don't have to abide with work and wage laws?....
Build nuclear power stations with the Chinese?....
Dismantle the NHS?...
You're a ridiculous rightie Mr Cameron!