[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sorry but this goes beyond the very boring 'us and them myth.
The fact is we were seeing a new phenomena, the suicide bomber. 'Home grown' British individuals that were indoctrinated by extremists to wreak havoc on the west in the name of Islam.
That's the reason for the evidence based surveillance, it was a preventative strategy.
Did I agree with the war? No.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes it was a multi agency approach, it's an international threat so it's important we work together. That makes sense to me.
There are protections for individuals, it's just those for whom there is evidence and that is why it was written into law to override those.
I for one have made no glib comments, or insulted servicemen and women or the public. All I did say was the public were influenced into supporting a war that was unnecessary, to me that is wrong.
Neither did I suggest the advertising agency was onboard please don't twist my posts or misquote me.
What anyones opinion of Tony Blair is is of no interest to me, I have said I don't agree with taking the country to war.
Cameron has only just started with his managed decline of the UK, to me that's deplorable.
I reiterate, the media is being used as a tool to discredit the Labour party using the past.
I hope they can counter this, without resorting to dirty politics.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wasn't discussing anything with you in the first instance livia, I was just having my say on the issue.
We worked together at the time with the Americans as we were both at risk from international terrorism, whatever spin has been put on that due to political bias is relevant here imo.

You responded to me. Twice. That's a discussion.