[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Choosing to marry a man isn't the same as choosing to be turned on by men.



Again, making a conscious decision and saying "I'm straight" is entirely different from choosing what gives you an erection or turns you on.

If he didnt turn me on I would have married his sister ,so thats a stupid thing to say, Ive said before and I will say again ,SOME people are born gay ,SOME are not

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I disagree, sure you could sleep with someone of the same sex just like you could sleep with someone of the opposite sex who isn't attractive to you. Sex is Sex but you can't change your sexuality.

Simply saying that you're straight/gay/bi is different to actually being any of those things.

Hmm I guess.
These people see themselves as gay though, and who are we to tell them they arent?

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Jemal

But mate, your still choosing..
Lie or no lie you are choosing.

Let me use you as an example, dont take offence to this but just a harmless example.
You could be straight right now because you choose not to be gay.
True or false.
Either way you choose your sexuality because if you want to be gay you can bloody be gay? If you choose not to be gay, you choose to go for girls and now especially if you like both sex's you CHOOSE to be bloody bisexual.

What people are getting mixed up is the feelings. You dont choose your feelings of course but you choose your sexuality, lie or not, that is the truth.

This is where people get confused.
Being gay is being attracted too the same sex
A gay person can choose too sleep with the opposite sex (denial, self hatred, baby etc), but they cannot choose too be straight
Being gay is about attractions & feelings, a gay man can have sex with a girl, It doesn't make them straight

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jemal

But mate, your still choosing..
Lie or no lie you are choosing.

Let me use you as an example, dont take offence to this but just a harmless example.
You could be straight right now because you choose not to be gay.
True or false.
Either way you choose your sexuality because if you want to be gay you can bloody be gay? If you choose not to be gay, you choose to go for girls and now especially if you like both sex's you CHOOSE to be bloody bisexual.

What people are getting mixed up is the feelings. You dont choose your feelings of course but you choose your sexuality, lie or not, that is the truth.

If it was as simple as that do you think gay people would open themselves up to ignorance and abuse if they could just choose to be straight?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I disagree, sure you could sleep with someone of the same sex just like you could sleep with someone of the opposite sex who isn't attractive to you. Sex is Sex but you can't change your sexuality.

Simply saying that you're straight/gay/bi is different to actually being any of those things.

Very relevant and strong points there.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

This is where people get confused.
Being gay is being attracted too the same sex
A gay person can choose too sleep with the opposite sex, but they cannot choose too be straight

What about those who CHOSE to get married to the opposite sex, have children by them ?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jemal

But mate, your still choosing..
Lie or no lie you are choosing.

Let me use you as an example, dont take offence to this but just a harmless example.
You could be straight right now because you choose not to be gay.
True or false?
Either way you choose your sexuality because if you want to be gay you can bloody be gay? If you choose not to be gay, you choose to go for girls and now especially if you like both sex's you CHOOSE to be bloody bisexual.

What people are getting mixed up is the feelings. You dont choose your feelings of course but you choose your sexuality, lie or not, that is the truth.

That's all semantics and labels, you can call yourself whatever you want. I can call myself straight but wish me good luck in getting it up if I'm gonna try to have sex with a girl. You say that you don't choose your feelings but you choose your sexuality, but sexuality is defined as sexual feelings?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by the truth

who are you to say who speaks for the gay community? who are you to judge other peoples choices and behaviour? youre being as judgemental as those who criticize gay people now. ps why are you allowed an opinion on this matter and evander isnt?

oh cut that crap, how can someone choose to be sexually attracted to a gender they originally aren't it's impossible to be able to do that.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

This is what annoys me. A lot of younger gays (sorry to generalise here) seem to think that we should all think the same and if we don't then we must be ignorant and/or support homophobia.

Yeah it happens all the time. I get it sometimes for going against the grain..I get 'women should stick together' and all that bull****. As if we should all think the same about every damn thing.

[subliminal]

Supposing someone turned to a fellow housemate and expressed all of those thoughts - comparing gay people to being 'handicapped' - 'a choice' - and something that should be 'fixed' etc - but about black people instead?

What do you think the outcome of that conversation would have been?

So please explain why it is any more acceptable to say those things about gay people?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

When did i say Evander isn't ?
I said in my first post on the subject that he IS entitled to his opinion but that i disagree strongly with it.
So you're saying that nobody is allowed to comment on anything unless they're prepared to write a complete thesis on the subject are you ? Like you do you mean........

sorry if my posts are too long for your attention span. trying reading the shorter ones if its easier for you

[the truth]

Originally Posted by subliminal

Supposing someone turned to a fellow housemate and expressed all of those thoughts - comparing gay people to being 'handicapped' - 'a choice' - and something that should be 'fixed' etc - but about black people instead?

What do you think the outcome of that conversation would have been?

So please explain why it is any more acceptable to say those things about gay people?

he didnt say that

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What about those who CHOSE to get married to the opposite sex, have children by them ?

What gay/bi people who marry the opposite sex? They are either bi or in denial & want too be normal, they likely have feeling for the other half, just no attraction

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If it was as simple as that do you think gay people would open themselves up to ignorance and abuse if they could just choose to be straight?

Those days are long gone ,you are talking of years ago ,when (as Peter Kay so rightly says) Your Mother would never have said the word lesbian ,they said it under their breath ,those day are long gone ,as someone said ^^ its not frowned upon now, its the "In thing" due to shows like BB ,who over the years the vast majority of gay housemates have been the BEST housemates

[Jemal]

gonna have to agree to disagree tbh.
got college tommorow or today should i say.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Jemal

But mate, your still choosing..
Lie or no lie you are choosing.

Let me use you as an example, dont take offence to this but just a harmless example.
You could be straight right now because you choose not to be gay.
True or false?
Either way you choose your sexuality because if you want to be gay you can bloody be gay? If you choose not to be gay, you choose to go for girls and now especially if you like both sex's you CHOOSE to be bloody bisexual.

What people are getting mixed up is the feelings. You dont choose your feelings of course but you choose your sexuality, lie or not, that is the truth.

you don't choose your sexuality but it's your choice on whether you pursue on it or not

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Salman!

oh cut that crap, how can someone choose to be sexually attracted to a gender they originally aren't it's impossible to be able to do that.

that facially gesture youve made is offensive , maybe you should be banned
by the way again youre generalizing it seems about every single gay person, which is what youre supposed to be preaching agaisnt. kind of arrogant hypocrisy, thank goodness we dont yet live in the stalinist PC world you advocate

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What about those who CHOSE to get married to the opposite sex, have children by them ?

Could you choose to find girls sexy & a want too have sex with them if you felt like it?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Those days are long gone ,you are talking of years ago ,when (as Peter Kay so rightly says) Your Mother would never have said the word lesbian ,they said it under their breath ,those day are long gone ,as someone said ^^ its not frowned upon now, its the "In thing" due to shows like BB ,who over the years the vast majority of gay housemates have been the BEST housemates

The ignorance never stops

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Salman!

you don't choose your sexuality but it's your choice on whether you pursue on it or not

so speaks 1 person for all 6 billion humans lol

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

What gay/bi people who marry the opposite sex? They are either bi or in denial & want too be normal, they likely have feeling for the other half, just no attraction

Whos to say ?Im not arrogant enough to proclaim I speak for every straight woman in the world, as no one should be so arrogant to say they speak for every gay man,woman in the world either

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What about those who CHOSE to get married to the opposite sex, have children by them ?

But if they're gay to start with they'll still be gay if they're married to someone of the opposite sex and have children by them.
I think 'choose' is too loose a term in that case.
Sexuality has been proved to be determined by x and y chromosomes and you can't change that. You can choose to live a certain way but that doesn't mean you can choose to change your pre-determined sexuality.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The ignorance never stops

Of course it does, thats a stupid thing to say

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Those days are long gone ,you are talking of years ago ,when (as Peter Kay so rightly says) Your Mother would never have said the word lesbian ,they said it under their breath ,those day are long gone ,as someone said ^^ its not frowned upon now, its the "In thing" due to shows like BB ,who over the years the vast majority of gay housemates have been the BEST housemates

I don't like in the UK and quite frankly know nothing about British legislation and whatnot, but if we expand this to worldwide (which considering that Evander is American, I think we have to look worldwide) this is simply not true lmfao like blatantly false.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

But if they're gay to start with they'll still be gay if they're married to someone of the opposite sex and have children by them.
I think 'choose' is too loose a term in that case.
Sexuality has been proved to be determined by x and y chromosomes and you can't change that. You can choose to live a certain way but that doesn't mean you can choose to change your pre-determined sexuality.

goodness youre long winded zzzzzzz