[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The ignorance never stops

It doesn't and it seems past prejudices and odd views of being gay are still well and truly around as demonstrated by the views of Evander on BB tonight.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

Could you choose to find girls sexy & a want too have sex with them if you felt like it?

If i was pissed up and the wind was in the right direction whos to say ,No I dont find girls sexy ,I can think they are stunning looking ,nice girls,but not in a sexual way, no

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What about those who CHOSE to get married to the opposite sex, have children by them ?

Chuff don't be daft, that's frowned upon isn't it.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

sorry if my posts are too long for your attention span. trying reading the shorter ones if its easier for you

What are you actually talking about ?
When did i say anything about your posts being too long. You are extremely ignorant and a tad arrogant.
If someone makes a post you can't argue with you just go off at a tangent to avoid admitting you might have spoken incorrectly. You clearly don't understand even the most blatant sarcasm. I find it hysterical!

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

If i was pissed up and the wind was in the right direction whos to say ,No I dont find girls sexy ,I can think they are stunning looking ,nice girls,but not in a sexual way, no

so you can't choose to be bisexual/lesbian clearly? you've just contradicted everything you've said before in this thread.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Whos to say ?Im not arrogant enough to proclaim I speak for every straight woman in the world, as no one should be so arrogant to say they speak for every gay man,woman in the world either

But a straight woman is arrogant enough to say that some gays choose to be gay and some don't choose, and thereby speak for an entirely different demographic?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It doesn't and is seems past prejudices and odd views of being gay are still well and truly around as demonstrated by the views of Evander on BB tonight.

Hes lived his life in the boxing circle, where I doubt they are very few gay men ,hes also very religious ,I do NOT agree with some of what he said,but I defend his right to say what he said

[subliminal]

Supposing someone turned to a fellow housemate and expressed all of those thoughts - comparing gay people to being 'handicapped' - 'a choice' - and something that should be 'fixed' etc - but about black people instead?

What do you think the outcome of that conversation would have been?

So please explain why it is any more acceptable to say those things about gay people?

Originally Posted by the truth

he didnt say that

Actual quotes for you

Evander: No, it don’t make no difference. If you were born and your leg were turned this way, what do you do, you go to the doctor and get it fixed back right. (suggesting that if you are gay you are akin to being handicapped / disabled and you go get it fixed)
Luisa: It’s not about being fixed, it’s about… that’s just the way that you are.
Evander: No no no no no, you mean to tell me…
Luisa: I really don’t want to have this conversation.
Evander: I’m not mad, I’m just saying…
Luisa: You don’t understand, I don’t think it’s an appropriate conversation to have in this house, honestly.
Evander: All I’m trying to tell you, you know how handicapped people are born, you can’t say because they were born that way… (See below)
Luisa: You can’t compare, of course you can’t compare someone that’s gay to someone that’s handicapped, it’s not a choice.
Evander: Yes it is a choice, come on, that ain’t the way nobody is made. (suggesting gay people are not born that way - I can tell you as a gay man I most definitely WAS born gay. Growing up as a child in a deeply homophobic society with all of the hatred and bullying I endured - don't you think if I had the choice I would have chosen to be gay???)
Luisa: I’m tired. I don’t think people have a choice in their sexuality, or they would be unhappy.
Today, Big Brother called Evander to the Diary Room to caution him about offensive language, but stopped short of giving him an formal reprimand.
“Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you. Last night, in a conversation with Luisa, you expressed the view that being gay was not normal and that it could be fixed,” explained Big Brother.
“While Big Brother understands these are the views you hold, they aren’t the views that are held by a large section of society and expressing these views will be extremely offensive to many people. Do you understand why?”

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Of course it does, thats a stupid thing to say

I think you've proven to be the stupid one here. Even when given a valid point you still think it's a choice and one that's simply to be an "In thing".

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

When did i say Evander isn't ?
I said in my first post on the subject that he IS entitled to his opinion but that i disagree strongly with it.
So you're saying that nobody is allowed to comment on anything unless they're prepared to write a complete thesis on the subject are you ? Like you do you mean........

youve got a short and selective memory

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

But a straight woman is arrogant enough to say that some gays choose to be gay and some don't choose, and thereby speak for an entirely different demographic?

I am talking of people i know ,I do not speak for the world, no one does

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I am talking of people i know ,I do not speak for the world, no one does

You said that some people choose and some people don't, I think that covers everyone in a demographic you quite frankly have on knowledge of.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I think you've proven to be the stupid one here. Even when given a valid point you still think it's a choice and one that's simply to be an "In thing".

Jordan think what the hell you like ,your opinion is just that, YOURS

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Sophiee

so you can't choose to be bisexual/lesbian clearly? you've just contradicted everything you've said before in this thread.

I was joking ,lighten up for Gods sake ,Im a straight woman ,and I make no apologies for being that way

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by the truth

that facially gesture youve made is offensive , maybe you should be banned
by the way again youre generalizing it seems about every single gay person, which is what youre supposed to be preaching agaisnt. kind of arrogant hypocrisy, thank goodness we dont yet live in the stalinist PC world you advocate

why should I be banned for using a forum smiley if it was ban worthy then it wouldn't be there

and no I'm not generalising I'm simply using common sense. No one can change their sexual attractions, if they could then tell me why are there gays who commit suicide because of their sexuality if they could easily just randomly start fancying women

[Benjamin]

Evander: No, it don’t make no difference. If you were born and your leg were turned this way, what do you do, you go to the doctor and get it fixed back right.
Luisa: It’s not about being fixed, it’s about… that’s just the way that you are.
Evander: No no no no no, you mean to tell me…
Luisa: I really don’t want to have this conversation.
Evander: I’m not mad, I’m just saying…
Luisa: You don’t understand, I don’t think it’s an appropriate conversation to have in this house, honestly.
Evander: All I’m trying to tell you, you know how handicapped people are born, you can’t say because they were born that way…
Luisa: You can’t compare, of course you can’t compare someone that’s gay to someone that’s handicapped, it’s not a choice.
Evander: Yes it is a choice, come on, that ain’t the way nobody is made.
Luisa: I’m tired. I don’t think people have a choice in their sexuality, or they would be unhappy.
Today, Big Brother called Evander to the Diary Room to caution him about offensive language, but stopped short of giving him an formal reprimand.
“Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you. Last night, in a conversation with Luisa, you expressed the view that being gay was not normal and that it could be fixed,” explained Big Brother.
“While Big Brother understands these are the views you hold, they aren’t the views that are held by a large section of society and expressing these views will be extremely offensive to many people. Do you understand why?”

He doesn't show hatred to homosexuality.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by subliminal

Supposing someone turned to a fellow housemate and expressed all of those thoughts - comparing gay people to being 'handicapped' - 'a choice' - and something that should be 'fixed' etc - but about black people instead?

What do you think the outcome of that conversation would have been?

So please explain why it is any more acceptable to say those things about gay people?



Actual quotes for you

Evander: No, it don’t make no difference. If you were born and your leg were turned this way, what do you do, you go to the doctor and get it fixed back right. (suggesting that if you are gay you are akin to being handicapped / disabled and you go get it fixed)
Luisa: It’s not about being fixed, it’s about… that’s just the way that you are.
Evander: No no no no no, you mean to tell me…
Luisa: I really don’t want to have this conversation.
Evander: I’m not mad, I’m just saying…
Luisa: You don’t understand, I don’t think it’s an appropriate conversation to have in this house, honestly.
Evander: All I’m trying to tell you, you know how handicapped people are born, you can’t say because they were born that way… (See below)
Luisa: You can’t compare, of course you can’t compare someone that’s gay to someone that’s handicapped, it’s not a choice.
Evander: Yes it is a choice, come on, that ain’t the way nobody is made. (suggesting gay people are not born that way - I can tell you as a gay man I most definitely WAS born gay. Growing up as a child in a deeply homophobic society with all of the hatred and bullying I endured - don't you think if I had the choice I would have chosen to be gay???)
Luisa: I’m tired. I don’t think people have a choice in their sexuality, or they would be unhappy.
Today, Big Brother called Evander to the Diary Room to caution him about offensive language, but stopped short of giving him an formal reprimand.
“Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you. Last night, in a conversation with Luisa, you expressed the view that being gay was not normal and that it could be fixed,” explained Big Brother.
“While Big Brother understands these are the views you hold, they aren’t the views that are held by a large section of society and expressing these views will be extremely offensive to many people. Do you understand why?”

thats your experience and I wish you luck , but that doesnt mean every homosexual person is the same. some are some arent, were all different people on this planet., yet you are guilty now of genberalizing about all gay people having no choices and all being the same as you...isnt it stereotyping youre rpeachinbg against? isnt it acase where we are all individuals

so evander thinks some people choose it, so what? maybe they do maybe they dont so what? its just an opinion. you dont need to get offended by this , its not necessarily you hes discussing. granted there have been and will always be people who think its worng or whatever. but banning people from their opinions and thoughts on it , will get us nowhere.

the gay people I know have no issues displaying their sexuality or love for whoever....so why is it an issue to get a man banned for simply stating his own opinion? how does that help a free democratic society/

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I was joking ,lighten up for Gods sake ,Im a straight woman ,and I make no apologies for being that way

she means you've proven that you can't choose your sexuality, as you've said you could never find girls sexy in a sexual way

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Hes lived his life in the boxing circle, where I doubt they are very few gay men ,hes also very religious ,I do NOT agree with some of what he said,but I defend his right to say what he said

That's a valid point, as to his life and the people he will have been around, that doesn't excuse ignorance though for me.

You know I love your posts Chuff and very often agree many times with you too. I take on board his background but he is on a national TV programme which he is well aware is being filmd 24/7.

So while he has,in that environment within reason, every right to say what he thinks of course.
It is then,(I think anyway),better counsel to curb what you say in that public environment that may not be an acceptable justification for the viewpoint.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

By every gay person in the world, who KNOWS it isn't a choice. Something a straight person couldn't know

That's a bit heterophobic,to suggest a "straight" person would have no understanding that a gay person is born that way!?!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

He doesn't show hatred to homosexuality.

But saying it can be fixed inherently means that he views it as wrong and needing fixing.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

youve got a short and selective memory

That's your second attempt at rebuffing the same post i made and it makes no more sense or has no more relevance than your first attempt.

Good work!

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

He doesn't show hatred to homosexuality.

normally when someone says 'but' or 'I'm just saying', they follow it up with an insult, it doesn't mean they're not mad/insulting at all, I thought everyone knew that

e.g.
"I'm not being rude, but you look like ****"

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Salman!

why should I be banned for using a forum smiley if it was ban worthy then it wouldn't be there

and no I'm not generalising I'm simply using common sense. No one can change their sexual attractions, if they could then tell me why are there gays who commit suicide because of their sexuality if they could easily just randomly start fancying women

yes you are generalizing and enforcing your own view and opinion on all 6 billion plus humans on the planet. spectacularly ignorant and arrogant that is. thats not a forum smiley as you know so youre also being disingenuous and to call people crazy is also discriminatory and insensitive, so youre a total hypocrite too

plenty of hetrosexual people commit suicide too , the rates are far higher in hetrosexual men on average than anyone else , often due to drugs , booze, broken families, lost access to their kids , career pressure and you barely post about the matter because its not part of your agenda.


you cant speak for all gay people and to do so is stereotypying everyone. stick to your own experience, can you change from being so judgemental and stereotyping people/

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

But saying it can be fixed inherently means that he views it as wrong and needing fixing.

Oh yes, I haven't disagreed his opinion is wrong, I just don't see it as homophobia, just narrow minded.