[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

Who's getting bent out of shape? I'm passing the time on a message board.
When you diagnosed Liz Jones with all the mental problems you assert she suffers from I didn't jump on you for your opinion. I'm entitled to think he hasn't changed just as you are entitled to say awful things about Liz and others with no evidence to back them up.

Well firstly, I said she was neurotic and a bit of a psycho. I wasn't making a diagnosis, I was speaking as I found because the real difference here is that I've met Liz Jones several times and I'm good friends with someone who knows her very well. I've not based my opinion on a Google search.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well firstly, I said she was neurotic and a bit of a psycho. I wasn't making a diagnosis, I was speaking as I found because the real difference here is that I've met Liz Jones several times and I'm good friends with someone who knows her very well. I've not based my opinion on a Google search.

You said she was neurotic, paranoid and a 'F'ing' psycho. So are you saying she acted that way right in front of you (if so, why not expand on that) or are you basing this on hearsay from a friend who might just not like her. That's not evidence.
Jim Davidson is a self - confessed wife beater. ITV had to apologize for his inappropriate comments towards a gay person. These things are facts.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by jet

You said she was neurotic, paranoid and a 'F'ing' psycho. So are you saying she acted that way right in front of you (if so, why not expand on that) or are you basing this on hearsay from a friend who might just not like her. That's not evidence.
Jim Davidson is a self - confessed wife beater. ITV had to apologize for his inappropriate comments towards a gay person. These things are facts.

If someone was once addicted to drugs in your eyes are they forever more a junkie??

If someone was once an alcoholic, are they always going to be a pi**head??

People can & DO change, it is very unfair & extremely silly of you to base your opinons of someone on things from their past (& trashy tabloid versions of those things to boot)...

You are of course perfectly entitled to your opinion, but don't make out that Jim is STILL a homophobic, wife beater & make that out as fact.

[jet]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

If someone was once addicted to drugs in your eyes are they forever more a junkie??

If someone was once an alcoholic, are they always going to be a pi**head??

People can & DO change, it is very unfair & extremely silly of you to base your opinons of someone on things from their past (& trashy tabloid versions of those things to boot)...

You are of course perfectly entitled to your opinion, but don't make out that Jim is STILL a homophobic, wife beater & make that out as fact.

I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that.

No not getting it, seems calm and unruffled to me and doesn't suffer fools

[jet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No not getting it, seems calm and unruffled to me and doesn't suffer fools

Other people here have seen what I have too, so it's not just me that has the gift.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

Other people here have seen what I have too, so it's not just me that has the gift.

And others have seen what I have you are not the only one with the gift

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

And others have seen what I have you are not the only one with the gift

..haha, the best gift of all is that smiley gift....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..haha, the best gift of all is that smiley gift....

It's the winner!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

It's a good one.

..I think it's the most multi purpose smiley on the forum and it's a really 'cute annoyed/angry..' as well...



.....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

You said she was neurotic, paranoid and a 'F'ing' psycho. So are you saying she acted that way right in front of you (if so, why not expand on that) or are you basing this on hearsay from a friend who might just not like her. That's not evidence.
Jim Davidson is a self - confessed wife beater. ITV had to apologize for his inappropriate comments towards a gay person. These things are facts.

Oh enough with the 'evidence' and the 'hearsay'. You said earlier we're on a BB forum... This isn't a court of law and you're not cross-questioning me.

We don't agree. Give it a rest whydontcha.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The thing with Jim Davidson is that he's objectively the most objectionable casting choice ever? Like, someone with as shady of a history as his, sorry but I have no real interest seeing that, let alone seeing him become a victim of people (rightfully) judging him based on his past.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

The thing with Jim Davidson is that he's objectively the most objectionable casting choice ever? Like, someone with as shady of a history as his, sorry but I have no real interest seeing that, let alone seeing him become a victim of people (rightfully) judging him based on his past.

No redemption for anyone then? How sad.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think there are much more legitimate ways to seek redemption than appear on a reality programme for three weeks and tone down your racism/homophobia/misogyny/whathaveyou

[Livia]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

I think there are much more legitimate ways to seek redemption than appear on a reality programme for three weeks and tone down your racism/homophobia/misogyny/whathaveyou

What do you want him to do, set up a mission? He's not been in the public eye for ages. How do we know he's "toning down" all that stuff, and that he hasn't, like he claims, turned his life around? Anyhoo, time will tell.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh enough with the 'evidence' and the 'hearsay'. You said earlier we're on a BB forum... This isn't a court of law and you're not cross-questioning me.

We don't agree. Give it a rest whydontcha.

Why don't you give it a rest. You quote me and post something that calls for a response, then you are rude when I respond. Charming.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

Why don't you give it a rest. You quote me and post something that calls for a response, then you are rude when I respond. Charming.

My reply to you at the top of the page didn't require any response. I was merely answering your post which supposed that I was making wild claims about Liz Jones. I pointed out that I had met her, more than once, that I know someone she knows (and as a matter of interest yes, she was quite neurotic and strange on a couple of occasions I was in her company). But that wasn't good enough. You wanted evidence and claimed hearsay like we're in court. It's getting silly now. We don't have to agree, and we clearly don't.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

My reply to you at the top of the page didn't require any response. I was merely answering your post which supposed that I was making wild claims about Liz Jones. I pointed out that I had met her, more than once, that I know someone she knows (and as a matter of interest yes, she was quite neurotic and strange on a couple of occasions I was in her company). But that wasn't good enough. You wanted evidence and claimed hearsay like we're in court. It's getting silly now. We don't have to agree, and we clearly don't.

We certainly don't, so we'll agree to disagree.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by jet

It's not his comedy that bothers me in particular...it's his fists, his homophobia etc etc etc...

Has he said anything homophobic in the house? if not then it's unimportant whats gone on before.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean I wouldn't say it's all that irrelevant when he was initially scheduled to be on CBB11, which was hosted by a gay guy he previously clashed with on another show.

[Kizzy]

Jim has written at least 2 autobiographies where he admits his abuse and alcoholism, he's still drinking therefore he's still an alcoholic as far as I see it.
Due to his documented clashes with the police and others, I find it hard to believe he has mellowed. If he manages to last without lashing out I'll be amazed.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..haha, the best gift of all is that smiley gift....

I love it, it's my favorite smilie ever

[QUOTE=Kizzy;6608333]Jim has written at least 2 autobiographies where he admits his abuse and alcoholism, he's still drinking therefore he's still an alcoholic as far as I see it.
Due to his documented clashes with the police and others, I find it hard to believe he has mellowed. If he manages to last without lashing out I'll be amazed.[/QUOT


don't put the mockers on him

[Patricia4]

Jim is doing great in the house so why cant he win.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that.

But whilstever he IS holding it under wraps what is there to complain about? and its a tad arrogant to know what people are thinking dont you think ?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that.

Hi jet, I accept you hold your strong views as to Jim and I would never say you are wrong to have those views.
You have your opinion of him and that is your right.

I myself don't care at all for a lot of what he has done and said in the past and indeed I am surprised that I have come to even like him as a housemate.
I have though because he is doing exactly what you say,controlling himself in the main, which is something he 'never' could have done in the past.

For me however, how he is contolling his temper,I haven't a clue while he is around the vicious and miserable and awful Linda Nolan,who is also trying to push all buttons to make him look really bad herself.
Even I would have likely flared up at her by now bigtime already.