[user104658]

Originally Posted by JTM45

This idea that the oldies should be molly-coddled doesn't wash with me

Me either, in fact, I find it downright offensive. I really don't get it at all. So children are to be coddled and protected because they lack the world experience to take someone on and so it's not fair for an adult to have a straight up argument with them... then you become an adult and you can look out for yourself / stand your own ground... and then what? You hit 70 and suddenly you're a baby again to be coo'd over and taken care of? **** that. If that happens to me when I hit old age, I'll be packing myself off to Dignitas.

If in his 82 years he hasn't figured out how to hold his nerve and win an argument, then he's just been straight-up lazy. Old people may be physically frail compared to adults "in their prime" but, so long as they're still in possession of all of their mental faculties (as Lionel is), there's no reason in the world that he should need "protecting" from anyone who isn't being physically aggressive. It's patronising.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Me either, in fact, I find it downright offensive. I really don't get it at all. So children are to be coddled and protected because they lack the world experience to take someone on and so it's not fair for an adult to have a straight up argument with them... then you become an adult and you can look out for yourself / stand your own ground... and then what? You hit 70 and suddenly you're a baby again to be coo'd over and taken care of? **** that. If that happens to me when I hit old age, I'll be packing myself off to Dignitas.

If in his 82 years he hasn't figured out how to hold his nerve and win an argument, then he's just been straight-up lazy. Old people may be physically frail compared to adults "in their prime" but, so long as they're still in possession of all of their mental faculties (as Lionel is), there's no reason in the world that he should need "protecting" from anyone who isn't being physically aggressive. It's patronising.

Don't get me wrong with my posts, I'm definitely of the opinion that respect should be earned and not related to age as such and I'm in no way saying you shouldn't argue with someone older than a certain age but having a little more tolerance wouldn't hurt and to stand there bawling and shouting at someone that age is a bit OTT in my opinion and it isn't something I could do as it would just feel wrong to me.

I wasn't insinuating he needed any protection either but I do think he looked shaken after the argument and that BB should at least have checked to see if he was alright.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Josy

Don't get me wrong with my posts, I'm definitely of the opinion that respect should be earned and not related to age as such and I'm in no way saying you shouldn't argue with someone older than a certain age but having a little more tolerance wouldn't hurt and to stand there bawling and shouting at someone that age is a bit OTT in my opinion and it isn't something I could do as it would just feel wrong to me.

I wasn't insinuating he needed any protection either but I do think he looked shaken after the argument and that BB should at least have checked to see if he was alright.

Yeah I don't get why they wouldn't call him into the Diary Room, because BB tends to do that once an argument has run its course to see what the housemates are thinking and to see if they're okay if someone was in tears or whatever... just seemed like they dropped the ball on that one

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Josy

Don't get me wrong with my posts, I'm definitely of the opinion that respect should be earned and not related to age as such and I'm in no way saying you shouldn't argue with someone older than a certain age but having a little more tolerance wouldn't hurt and to stand there bawling and shouting at someone that age is a bit OTT in my opinion and it isn't something I could do as it would just feel wrong to me.

I wasn't insinuating he needed any protection either but I do think he looked shaken after the argument and that BB should at least have checked to see if he was alright.

I get what you are saying, but then big brother dressing an 82 year old in that outfit for the 18 room shows he has not got an oap pass.
he could of walked away at any point, but stood there trying to shout her down.
what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Me either, in fact, I find it downright offensive. I really don't get it at all. So children are to be coddled and protected because they lack the world experience to take someone on and so it's not fair for an adult to have a straight up argument with them... then you become an adult and you can look out for yourself / stand your own ground... and then what? You hit 70 and suddenly you're a baby again to be coo'd over and taken care of? **** that. If that happens to me when I hit old age, I'll be packing myself off to Dignitas.

If in his 82 years he hasn't figured out how to hold his nerve and win an argument, then he's just been straight-up lazy. Old people may be physically frail compared to adults "in their prime" but, so long as they're still in possession of all of their mental faculties (as Lionel is), there's no reason in the world that he should need "protecting" from anyone who isn't being physically aggressive. It's patronising.

Lionel isn't 70, he's 82 and has some breathing problems. He looked shaken up and BB should have spoken to him to make sure he was alright, that's all.
I don't agree that it's patronizing to to want to look out for someone of his age health wise. Arguments cause the blood pressure to rise and the heart to work harder. Concern isn't patronizing, it's sensible.

[Rachael1904]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Me either, in fact, I find it downright offensive. I really don't get it at all. So children are to be coddled and protected because they lack the world experience to take someone on and so it's not fair for an adult to have a straight up argument with them... then you become an adult and you can look out for yourself / stand your own ground... and then what? You hit 70 and suddenly you're a baby again to be coo'd over and taken care of? **** that. If that happens to me when I hit old age, I'll be packing myself off to Dignitas.

If in his 82 years he hasn't figured out how to hold his nerve and win an argument, then he's just been straight-up lazy. Old people may be physically frail compared to adults "in their prime" but, so long as they're still in possession of all of their mental faculties (as Lionel is), there's no reason in the world that he should need "protecting" from anyone who isn't being physically aggressive. It's patronising.

I would question if he is in charge of his mental faculties! He forgets everything.