[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't think the line is as blurry as you are making it out to be., I think the vast majority of men know exactly where that line is, and hence the vast majority of men have not sexually abused anyone. I don't think you are right about how hazy the lines are. The lines are clear to most decent men.

I think men that molest women know exactly what they are doing, and they also rely on people like you to excuse them. Th3y know they can get away with it, because they know that most women will be too confused/ashamed to report it.

I don't think it's fair for you to assume that most men don't know what sexual abuse is.

I don't know if it's just men, to be fair. A woman friend got into my bed when I was sick once, then grabbed my hand and put it on her breast, even though she knew very well I am straight. She'd been drinking and I think she thought that everyone has the potential to be "bi", so she had a shot. She's a university lecturer in social work. Do I want to ruin her career because of that? Nope. Do I feel like a victim? Nope. Do I feel I surrendered? Nope. Do I feel ashamed? Nope. Did she feel embarrassed afterwards. Yes. Did it spoil our friendship? Yes, but only because she felt rejected.