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Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Jim's done enough to make himself an outcast. Like I said, he constantly makes patronizing and condescending comments to women and sets himself up to be the victim when they react defensively to something he said. It's comments about Luisa not having a man in her life, how she doesn't have to spank her daughter, telling her to shut up and enjoy her argument, implying that she apologized without actually being sorry, and only wanting to cook for the men that make people not like him.

What's wrong with asking someone if they don't miss having a partner? What is wrong with discussing different parenting styles and views on spanking? Where did you see Jim stating that he only wanted to cook for the men? I remember Luisa saying she didn't want to cook for certain people, but insisting on cooking for others, so Jim suggested that someone different cook for the men, just so it didn't get too petty. So what? How is that offensive?

Casey's the only girl who hasn't nominated him (the others have all nominated him twice) and Ollie and Lee have nominated him as well. People not liking Jim Davidson of all people don't make him a victim or a martyr, especially when all the girls who he's patronized have good reason to not like him.

What have the nominations got to do with anything? Just about everyone seems to nominate Liz too, and she's nothing like Jim.

You said that Linda's petty for not revealing her past history with Jim, but you said it yourself that you couldn't care less if she holds a grudge? That seems contradictory to me, and I don't see how Linda revealing her past history with Jim makes a difference. There's clearly a lot of history between them and it comes from a place of very deep-seated resentment. I don't think there's an obligation Linda to have to explain everything and relive what is obviously a traumatic past between them.

I think you're mixing me up with another poster, because I didn't say those things. I disagree with you that anyone should think themself entitled to subject anyone to relentless bitching, carping and nastiness without giving an explanation when asked by the person involved. If Linda felt that strongly about Jim, then she shouldn't have come into the house. She could have asked to defer her invitation until the next show.

Again, it's extremely foolish to say that Jim doesn't know why Linda hates her and act like he was innocently inquiring if it had to do with Frank Carson's dressing room. He knew exactly what he was doing it and it was entirely calculated. He deliberately set Luisa up to inquire about an incident involving Linda's dead husband to upset her tremendously, and then pretend that it never happened. It's extremely malicious and underhanded and really is one of the slimiest, grossest things I've ever seen on this program.

Oh for goodness' sake. Luisa was asking why Linda was being so foul towards him, and he simply said she'd have to ask Linda. Then, he said to ask about Frank Carson's dressingroom. What's the big deal? How is that malicious and underhand? Linda's a blinking battleaxe and as hard as nails. Once she'd got a nice big group on her bed, she was back bitching about something else. As far as Jim appearing to backtrack and deny that he'd said to Luisa to ask about the dressingroom, we don't know what was going on in his head, but if, as it appeared, he was trying to wriggle out of responsibility, then he wouldn't be the first person to tell a porky pie to avoid a scene.

I've heard different stories about Jim's involvement in the whole thing (that he was the one implemented the hidden camera, that he threatened to beat Linda's husband up over the thing, among other stories), but if we want to talk about pettiness I think him taking those actions to get someone arrested over 20 or 25 pounds is incredibly petty. Just my two cents.

If you don't know the circumstances then who are you to judge? Surely, however, common sense must tell you that if someone has gone to the lengths of installing a secret camera then it wasn't a single incident, but one of a series of thefts. It's not petty to involve the police in the case of stealing money. Perhaps by doing so it might stop the culprit from moving on to more serious amounts of money.