[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

That it's a form of faith that works.

Yes but its kind of like going over a long bridge and believing that it will not collapse. You are basing your faith in logic and evidence and not on a bog standard 2000 year old myth that was as common as camel dung at the time.

Religious faith, as i stated, used to be a badge of honour because it got you power and standing in your community. Now we see it more as a badge of ignorance.

I am not arguing that the word faith is bogus, its a catch all word in some respects.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Yes but its kind of like going over a long bridge and believing that it will not collapse.

I am not arguing that the word faith is bogus, its a catch all word in some respects.

Yea, it is, which is why I am trying to divide it into scientific faith and religious faith. This thread's for scientific faith.

[Ammi]

..I think the Placebo/Nocebo effcts are fascinating...that we can 'think' our physical symptoms to be improved or be perfectly physically healthy and 'think' ourselves to have symptoms of physical illness etc... I think that you just have to look at people like the Shaolin monks to know that the mind is a very powerful thing....how great would it be to have complete control over it...

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think the Placebo/Nocebo effcts are fascinating...that we can 'think' our physical symptoms to be improved or be perfectly physically healthy and 'think' ourselves to have symptoms of physical illness etc... I think that you just have to look at people like the Shaolin monks to know that the mind is a very powerful thing....how great would it be to have complete control over it...

This in complete opposition to Catweazle's troll post (in another thread) about how the Chinese eat dogs therefore you shouldn't trust them.

Thank you Ammi and the serious posters, I think the Placebo effect is very relevant. We have a lot to learn from The Shao'lin.