[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1200400/mu...murdering-baby

Evil Mother



[A mother has been jailed
for life with a minimum of 14 years
for murdering her 11-month-old baby son.
Emma Wilson, 25, from Windsor in Berkshire
attacked her own toddler inflicting a
catalogue of 'catastrophic' injuries.
Callum Wilson was born on April 23 2010
and spent his first months
with foster parents.
In November 2010, Callum
returned to the care of his mother
at her flat in Paddock Close.
In March 2011 neighbours described
hearing five or six loud bangs coming
from the flat, the following morning
Ms Wilson called paramedics to help
her son who she said was
"lifeless and not doing anything".
During the trial at the Old Bailey
prosecutor Paul Dunkels QC
told the jury: "The effect of the injuries
would have been immediate
and catastrophic."
In court Ms Wilson tried to blame the
injuries on the toddler's two year
old brother who she said was "boisterous".
The jury though returned a unanimous
verdict of guilty to murder.
The jury were also shown a series of
'selfie' photograph taken in the days
before the fatal attack where
Ms Wilson was smiling at the
camera with her son behind
her - at this stage he could
be seen with minor injuries.
Judge Stephen Kramer QC told
Wilson: "You are adept at lying
and once you have decided
to lie you are adept at
sustaining that lie."
As she was taken down
to the cells Wilson was in tears,
as were members of her family
who were watching on from
the public gallery.]

[Me. I Am Salman]

Just reading that thread title.. ugh

[Z]

Why the hell does this happen so much? Has it always been like this or am I only just noticing it now?

[GypsyGoth]

Some mom's don't bond with their baby at all. But I think abuse hints at a far more sever mental illness than postnatal depression.

And sadly stuff like this prob went on just as much in the past, but was never reported or uncovered.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zee

Why the hell does this happen so much? Has it always been like this or am I only just noticing it now?

Because the modern, shallow, selfish western world of money and convenience has taken every aspect of connected, instinctual parenting and ripped it to absolute shreds. Mainstream parenting is a wreck at the best of times and, at the worst of times, it's this. Isolated, directionless, desperate people who simply crack right down the middle and lose control.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because the modern, shallow, selfish western world of money and convenience has taken every aspect of connected, instinctual parenting and ripped it to absolute shreds. Mainstream parenting is a wreck at the best of times and, at the worst of times, it's this. Isolated, directionless, desperate people who simply crack right down the middle and lose control.

So this is society's fault?

[Jezzy]

It has always happened, sadly.

It;s jiust more in the news now because of how the media are told to spin.

Maybe it'll put you off the track of how you are being manipulated to think

[Kizzy]

What about the brother, were they both not at risk?

[Jords]

Makes me so angry man.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

So this is society's fault?

I'm not removing blame from the woman, no more than I remove blame from a murdering rapist just because he himself might have been abused as a child. I'm not trying to say that she, personally, isn't mentally very "wrong".

But yes: the bewilderingly poor standard of interaction that passes as "parenting" is largely society's "fault", if you can call it that. More just a consequence of society. It can't really be "at fault". it doesn't have reasoning or direction, it's more just... Faulty.

Human beings are social creatures by instinct. Isolated parents sometimes end up not coping for many reasons. Parenting in isolation is unnatural.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not removing blame from the woman, no more than I remove blame from a murdering rapist just because he himself might have been abused as a child. I'm not trying to say that she, personally, isn't mentally very "wrong".

But yes: the bewilderingly poor standard of interaction that passes as "parenting" is largely society's "fault", if you can call it that. More just a consequence of society. It can't really be "at fault". it doesn't have reasoning or direction, it's more just... Faulty.

Human beings are social creatures by instinct. Isolated parents sometimes end up not coping for many reasons. Parenting in isolation is unnatural.

..I'm not sure that society is any more or less 'faulty' than it ever was, though..?...


..specifically with this mother, I think that she's either very mentally ill or very evil and there have always been people like that...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm not sure that society is any more or less 'faulty' than it ever was, though..?...


..specifically with this mother, I think that she's either very mentally ill or very evil and there have always been people like that...

I'm not even saying it's particularly new, but that's not the same as saying "always". It's been pretty much the same story since the birth of industrialisation (and resulting population boom), a few hundred years now.

There are obviously exceptions but the truth is, most "evils" are mental illness and most "mental illness" has a trigger. The huge rise in post natal depression for example can be directly correlated with increasing medicalisation of birth (process taken over by midwives or doctors, bright lights, birth stress or trauma, immediate cord clamping or cutting, baby removed from mother's arms immediately for "cleaning" etc., possibly baby even taken away to "allow mother to rest"). All of these things have psychological and hormonal knock-on effects that are sometimes drastic.

Of course, most people even under all of these circumstances still end up being passable and loving parents. But these things (and many other relatively modern societal phenomena) demonstrably DO sometimes erode the instinctual parent-child bond. and where that bond is eroded, unspeakable things like this are more likely to happen, even (or especially?) when there are other underlying issues.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not even saying it's particularly new, but that's not the same as saying "always". It's been pretty much the same story since the birth of industrialisation (and resulting population boom), a few hundred years now.

There are obviously exceptions but the truth is, most "evils" are mental illness and most "mental illness" has a trigger. The huge rise in post natal depression for example can be directly correlated with increasing medicalisation of birth (process taken over by midwives or doctors, bright lights, birth stress or trauma, immediate cord clamping or cutting, baby removed from mother's arms immediately for "cleaning" etc., possibly baby even taken away to "allow mother to rest"). All of these things have psychological and hormonal knock-on effects that are sometimes drastic.

Of course, most people even under all of these circumstances still end up being passable and loving parents. But these things (and many other relatively modern societal phenomena) demonstrably DO sometimes erode the instinctual parent-child bond. and where that bond is eroded, unspeakable things like this are more likely to happen, even (or especially?) when there are other underlying issues.

...ahh, I understand what you're saying...I haven't really done any research on things like modern birth practises and the possible effects of that being a contributing factor to things like post natal depression, which is a very serious thing and I think in general, a lot of females don't get enough help with this because maybe it can be seen as 'baby blues..' and not taken seriously enough and I do know that any medical depression is not something that people just 'get over' after a period of time....I agree with you that even the most 'evil' of people can't be of 'sound mind' and do the things they do and it's an extreme of mental illness....

[Marc]

How are these people allowed kids

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zee

Why the hell does this happen so much? Has it always been like this or am I only just noticing it now?

Infanticide is common throughout the animal kingdom, it's not just humans, and it's not new. You just hear about it more because we have a more sensationalist press that needs to fill 24/7 news coverage with as shocking a story as they can find, and shocking stories are not hard to find.

There were hundreds of kids murdered by their parents yesterday that you will never hear of, you will never know their names.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not removing blame from the woman, no more than I remove blame from a murdering rapist just because he himself might have been abused as a child. I'm not trying to say that she, personally, isn't mentally very "wrong".

But yes: the bewilderingly poor standard of interaction that passes as "parenting" is largely society's "fault", if you can call it that. More just a consequence of society. It can't really be "at fault". it doesn't have reasoning or direction, it's more just... Faulty.

Human beings are social creatures by instinct. Isolated parents sometimes end up not coping for many reasons. Parenting in isolation is unnatural.

People had things much tougher in the past, I don't understand why it's so particularly difficult for people now. There are a plethora of agencies sticking their oar in, and if they were better at it, stuff like this would happen less often.

[thesheriff443]

this women lived a few miles away from me.
there are just too many kids in danger for the system to cope with.

[Livia]

I remember stories like this when people say to me that I couldn't possibly understand because I'm not a mother... like being one gives you some kind of heavenly maternal gift.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember stories like this when people say to me that I couldn't possibly understand because I'm not a mother... like being one gives you some kind of heavenly maternal gift.

true, but good people have kids as well as bad ones.

some things in life can only ever be understood by going thru them.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Infanticide is common throughout the animal kingdom, it's not just humans, and it's not new. You just hear about it more because we have a more sensationalist press that needs to fill 24/7 news coverage with as shocking a story as they can find, and shocking stories are not hard to find.

There were hundreds of kids murdered by their parents yesterday that you will never hear of, you will never know their names.

I agree, it's not new unfortunately. It's one reason you can't get life insurance for children...people in the past used to insure their children and kill them for the money...

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember stories like this when people say to me that I couldn't possibly understand because I'm not a mother... like being one gives you some kind of heavenly maternal gift.

I agree...it's not a gift, there's no hand book and it's a learn as you go effort. When suffering through infertility, I must have read every book on pregnancy and parenting....nothing prepares you for the stark reality of it and I guess sometimes it can break people? Having children does not give anyone the right to think they know more or feel more than people who dont

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

People had things much tougher in the past, I don't understand why it's so particularly difficult for people now. There are a plethora of agencies sticking their oar in, and if they were better at it, stuff like this would happen less often.

They did in many ways, yes, but at the same time, families and communities were closer. Today there are young women out there, stuck in a flat with one or more young children, and otherwise completely devoid of other meaningful human contact. No partner, no parents or other extended family, and neighbours / a surrounding community that couldn't care less or even look on with distaste (until something tragic happens, and then suddenly everyone is distraught...)

"Cabin fever" is a serious factor in cases like this. people are animals when it comes down to it and when animals feel trapped or cornered for too long, they do bat**** crazy things.

From my own experience, me and my partner have raised our kids thus far with zero support from anyone but each other (grandparents are not particularly involved, have never even babysat for an hour) and whilst we have other "parent friends", they're scattered across central Scotland, not a local community. Anyway... even that has been insane at times and we DO have each other. I have work as a "break", and there's scope for a nice long bath / the occasional long lie / just a shopping trip even, for either of us.

I can (fairly) confidently say I would absolutely never hurt my children. however, I'm also 90% certain that if I was doing it completely alone I would be pretty "broken" by now. I genuinely can't even imagine.

And that's as someone who ENJOYS being a parent and gets a lot out of it; honestly, not everyone is and does, is the sad truth.