[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zee

How did this get flipped round onto me when I've been the one saying it's not fair to generalise people exactly? I'm saying it's wrong to generalise an entire nation of people and claim they all think the same way or believe the same things because of their nationality.

but you are one of the people making it seem like anything that anyone says about Japan, is some sort of attack on Japanese people. You are not being fair to the people who have made legitimate comments about Japan as a nation during that time period.

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but you are one of the people making it seem like anything that anyone says about Japan, is some sort of attack on Japanese people. You are not being fair to the people who have made legitimate comments about Japan as a nation during that time period.

That's not my aim whatsoever nor what I've even been discussing? We've lost sight of the point (was there ever one? ) - dropping nuclear bombs has never and will never be a positive course of action, in my opinion. As Japan is the only country in the world to have been the victim of a nuclear bombing (on two occasions) I can see why you think that means I'm defending the Japanese people, but I'm not really, I'd think it was wrong if they were dropped on any country's territory in an act of aggression. It was an unnecessarily overwhelming course of action that sought to destroy Japan, not beat it into submission, but destroy it. The US government was ruthless in its approach and showed no regard for the Japanese people. I find that wrong. That doesn't mean I therefore think it was okay that the Japanese people committed atrocities in the war, there isn't always a right and wrong perspective in every situation. Japan did some ****ty things and the USA responded with two almighty ****tier things that have destroyed Japanese lives and land for generations to come. I hope that the world has learned from this lesson and we'll never see that repeated ever again.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zee

That's not my aim whatsoever nor what I've even been discussing? We've lost sight of the point (was there ever one? ) - dropping nuclear bombs has never and will never be a positive course of action, in my opinion. As Japan is the only country in the world to have been the victim of a nuclear bombing (on two occasions) I can see why you think that means I'm defending the Japanese people, but I'm not really, I'd think it was wrong if they were dropped on any country's territory in an act of aggression. It was an unnecessarily overwhelming course of action that sought to destroy Japan, not beat it into submission, but destroy it. The US government was ruthless in its approach and showed no regard for the Japanese people. I find that wrong. That doesn't mean I therefore think it was okay that the Japanese people committed atrocities in the war, there isn't always a right and wrong perspective in every situation. Japan did some ****ty things and the USA responded with two almighty ****tier things that have destroyed Japanese lives and land for generations to come. I hope that the world has learned from this lesson and we'll never see that repeated ever again.

well i disagree with you, I think Japan did some ****ty things, and US was more than compassionate to Japan during that war. I think the USA did was we thought was the best for Japan and the world, and i think history has proved the USA's actions were the right actions.

Japan is a strong and free nation today. The USA could have turned Japan into a waste land if we wanted, but instead we supported them after the war, and did everything we could to make them a stronger, better, free'er country. I don't think you can fault the USA in our treatment of Japan post ww2. and i think you could say the same for Germany and all of western Europe.

The USA could have been like the Soviet Union after the war, and just proclaimed countries to be our territory like Russia did to eastern Europe (and if not for the bomb, i think russia would also have started to move to Asia), but we didn't. Instead we helped them rebuild themselves and encouraged them to be free democratic countries. i really don't think you can fault the USA after WW2. I think we did things very right.

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well i disagree with you, I think Japan did some ****ty things, and US was more than compassionate to Japan during that war. I think the USA did was we thought was the best for Japan and the world, and i think history has proved the USA's actions were the right actions.

Japan is a strong and free nation today. The USA could have turned Japan into a waste land if we wanted, but instead we supported them after the war, and did everything we could to make them a stronger, better, free'er country. I don't think you can fault the USA in our treatment of Japan post ww2. and i think you could say the same for Germany and all of western Europe.

The USA could have been like the Soviet Union after the war, and just proclaimed countries to be our territory like Russia did to eastern Europe (and if not for the bomb, i think russia would also have started to move to Asia), but we didn't. Instead we helped them rebuild themselves and encouraged them to be free democratic countries. i really don't think you can fault the USA after WW2. I think we did things very right.

I agree with you about the post war stuff; but the USA financially gained from those situations let us not forget, this wasn't an exercise in charity, it was about making profits and creating a sphere of influence - the difference between the USA and the USSR in their approach is that the USA was all about positive encouragement and growth whereas the USSR treated its sphere of influence with negative oppression and drastic 5 year plans that pushed its people to the limit. This is not a criticism of the USA, it's just that that's how the USA partly managed to consolidate its position as a global superpower.

Clearly we'll never agree on the issue of the rights and wrongs of using nuclear technology in a weaponised form so there's not much point going back and forth on it anymore with you.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zee

I agree with you about the post war stuff; but the USA financially gained from those situations let us not forget, this wasn't an exercise in charity, it was about making profits and creating a sphere of influence - the difference between the USA and the USSR in their approach is that the USA was all about positive encouragement and growth whereas the USSR treated its sphere of influence with negative oppression and drastic 5 year plans that pushed its people to the limit. This is not a criticism of the USA, it's just that that's how the USA partly managed to consolidate its position as a global superpower.

Clearly we'll never agree on the issue of the rights and wrongs of using nuclear technology in a weaponised form so there's not much point going back and forth on it anymore with you.

America paid in blood with thousands of young boy's lives. Our children. That blood was absolutely charity. How dare you imply that we lost our sons for profit.

You have such a cynical and twisted view of things, and i can't help but notice it's against the US mostly. It's still upsetting to me how Europeans need to justify America saving you by thinking America only did it for profit. It's so twisted and unfair. Shame on you.

Europe is still not properly grateful to America for what we did to save you.