[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But that's all they have is rhetoric, the conservatives have been rolling out the same stock phrases for 40-50 years!
They latch onto the island mentality and give a nice pink tinge to the idea of being out of the EU, the reality will be less rights for everyone.

'A principal target for the prime minister in his speech on Europe will be to wrench the UK away from the social and employment policies of the EU. Millions of people in Britain will suffer if he is successful. He must not be.'

'Cameron's manoeuvre is unworthy and mean-spirited. EU employment rights, like the EU itself – even with all its flaws – deserve the determined support of British working people. They're a cause worth fighting for. His vision of a UK without significant protections for employees, and competing not on quality but on cheapness and vulnerability, would be a disaster.'

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...workers-rights

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So what it comes down to is the barnum effect, creating a saachi 3 ring circus to parade these grey clad clowns?
It's nothing to do with policies, just who can keep their manic grin painted on for the longest time whilst controlling what spin the plebs get fed with their morning bowl of chemicals?

When I referred to rhetoric, I meant yours, not the Tories'.

A link to the Guardian which is critical of the Tories and which cements your own opinion is about as unbiased as me giving you a link to the Daily Mail.

You'd think that it was only the Tories who use large advertising and PR agencies to get their message across to the "plebs". It isn't. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make in your second post there. Is it that people - except you of course - are too stupid to interpret information? Do you think everyone - except you of course - swallows everything the parties feed them? I'm not even sure where you were going with the "morning bowl of chemicals" thing.

Anyway, I've given my opinion. You don't have to like it, I'm not sue that I like it... but it's how I see it.