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Old 20-03-2014, 03:41 PM #1
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You can't judge all tories by this ridiculous, doomed campaign. I can almost guarantee it was thrown together by someone in Millbank. It will have been passed to Grant Schapps who's frankly too stupid to know how offensive it is. Not all Tories are over-privileged trust-fund recipients, and if you really think that, then it's a pretty blinkered view to take.

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You can't judge all tories by this ridiculous, doomed campaign. I can almost guarantee it was thrown together by someone in Millbank. It will have been passed to Grant Schapps who's frankly too stupid to know how offensive it is. Not all Tories are over-privileged trust-fund recipients, and if you really think that, then it's a pretty blinkered view to take.
Does it matter? It's an accurate representation of the mindset of those at the top, setting the policies. This message is a fairly succinct summing up of the announced budget. This is the mindset that is setting the course for the entire country. The fact that not all Tories agree is irrelevant: the ones who matter, do. And anyone who doesnt share this mindset and still supports the Tories in any way, is frankly either in denial or just plain ****ing stupid.
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Does it matter? It's an accurate representation of the mindset of those at the top, setting the policies. This message is a fairly succinct summing up of the announced budget. This is the mindset that is setting the course for the entire country. The fact that not all Tories agree is irrelevant: the ones who matter, do. And anyone who doesnt share this mindset and still supports the Tories in any way, is frankly either in denial or just plain ****ing stupid.
Here here! They have always been the party of the elite for the elite since the get go.
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Here here! They have always been the party of the elite for the elite since the get go.
*Hear, hear.

And Labour used to be the party of the working person.
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The Tories need a complete rethink. This just isnt working.
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The Tories need a complete rethink. This just isnt working.
Oh yeah, I agree. A complete rethink. I think ALL the parties need a complete rethink.
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Oh yeah, I agree. A complete rethink. I think ALL the parties need a complete rethink.
The image they're leaders are all projecting is not very statesmanlike.
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Does it matter? It's an accurate representation of the mindset of those at the top, setting the policies. This message is a fairly succinct summing up of the announced budget. This is the mindset that is setting the course for the entire country. The fact that not all Tories agree is irrelevant: the ones who matter, do. And anyone who doesnt share this mindset and still supports the Tories in any way, is frankly either in denial or just plain ****ing stupid.
If you're going to make wild generalisations about political parties and the people who back them, I guess the same could be said about Labour... spent all the money, dragged us into massive debt, sold our gold reserve at the lowest price recorded for decades, took us to war on a lie despite massive public opposition... but despite all that, and despite the fact I do not support Labour's 'Champagne Socialist' elite, there are still a few Labour MPs I have massive respect for... Stephen Timms for instance. You can't tar every single person with the same brush just because of the colour of his rosette. Well, I can't, because to do so would just be plain ****ing stupid. Wouldn't it.

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If you're going to make wild generalisations about political parties and the people who back them, I guess the same could be said about Labour... spent all the money, dragged us into massive debt, sold our gold reserve at the lowest price recorded for decades, took us to war on a lie despite massive public opposition... but despite all that, and despite the fact I do not support Labour's 'Champagne Socialist' elite, there are still a few Labour MPs I have massive respect for... Stephen Timms for instance. You can't tar every single person with the same brush just because of the colour of his rosette. Well, I can't, because to do so would just be plain ****ing stupid. Wouldn't it.
You could make those generalisations and you wouldn't be wrong, although the war is a moot point as it was fully supported by the conservatives in opposition (Iraq was on no matter who was in power at the time; this also applies to the US. Greater forces at work.)

However, I'm not talking about shoddy decisions, bad policies or tragic mistakes. I'm talking about an entire mindset. A mindset perfectly illustrated by the image in the first post but not confined to that, because it's a mindset that is fuelling almost every decision that the current government is making. A mindset that refers to normal people as "they / them" and makes sweeping generalisations about how much "they" like a game of Bingo and a pint at the pub and aren't interested in the proper stuff that concerns those with higher intellects and bigger bank balances.

It might as well say "Cheaper grass, because sheep love grass, don't they?".

The fact that this is the blatant opinion of every single high-up conservative, including the chancellor, the prime minister, and the head of every single Tory-headed government department means that YES... Continuing to support them as a party if you don't share that overall mindset that infuses absolutely everything they stand for... Is stupid.

I'm not a Labour fanboy. My main praise for Labour is ... They're not Tories. Our entire political system is ****. Labour have bad policies and have made some cringeworthy blundering mistakes. But if the huge numbers of normal people in this country MUST find themselves slowly slipping underwater and drowning... I'd rather it be down to blunders, mistakes and bad policies and not because that bunch of dismissive, arrogant, offensive, smirking twats actively want to see it happen.

I just hope to god that when we crumble, we have a great enough sense of justice to ensure that we take them with us.
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