[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Just a shame that ball didn't hit him slightly higher....and slightly harder...

You mean slightly lower?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

You mean slightly lower?

Yeah - I was thinking of it hitting him in the face but slightly lower would be priceless too.....

[GiRTh]

So now Man Utd are out of the Champions league how many years do we think it will be before they are in this completion again?

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So now Man Utd are out of the Champions league how many years do we think it will be before they are in this completion again?

Next season tbh. New manager,couple mids and a LB and we good to go. The squad was pretty easily a top 3 squad. I'm Not having this media excuse of "overhaul was needed"

Probably only one unfortunately. When you throw anything between £150-200m at a problem, chances are that it will be fixed pretty quickly.

[Brother Leon]

However. If Moyes is still manager then it doesn't matter who we sign we aren't finishing top 4 so the answer would be season after next.

At least Moyes is going to make Glazers spend some of the money the club has made due to his ineptitude. Being outspent by a Liverpool team regularly that hasn't won **** for so long is disgraceful stuff.

Regularly outspent by a Liverpool team?

We've had to scrape around trying to get players to build a team. You've been in a privileged position to add first teamers to a competing squad.

DDG -£20m
Jones - £18m
Smalling - £10m
Carrick - £18m
RVP - £24m
Rooney - £27m
Ferdinand - £30m
Valencia - £16m
Young - £18m
KShinji - £18m
Mata - £37m
Fellaini£28m
Nani - £18m
Anderson - £18m
Zaha - £15m

Yeah - it's clear for everyone that united haven't had any funding.

[Drew.]

Moyes isn't going anywhere, he is here to stay i'm afraid.

In the interest of fairness:

Mignolet - £13m
Johnson - £18m
Sakho - £18m
Henderson £16m
Sturridge - £12m
Suarez - £22m

[Drew.]

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Downing £20m
Carroll £35m

Originally Posted by Drew.

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Downing £20m
Carroll £35m

Are they part of the Liverpool squad?

Also paid for by Fernando Torres. Should I count his transfer fee under the current Liverpool players that cost decent money?

[Drew.]

I thought this was comparing who outspent who, not who is currently playing.

[Drew.]

Add Borini to that.. £11m

Originally Posted by Drew.

Add Borini to that.. £11m

Borini is a fair shout. As is Joe Allen.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Regularly outspent by a Liverpool team?

We've had to scrape around trying to get players to build a team. You've been in a privileged position to add first teamers to a competing squad.

DDG -£20m
Jones - £18m
Smalling - £10m
Carrick - £18m
RVP - £24m
Rooney - £27m
Ferdinand - £30m
Valencia - £16m
Young - £18m
KShinji - £18m
Mata - £37m
Fellaini£28m
Nani - £18m
Anderson - £18m
Zaha - £15m

Yeah - it's clear for everyone that united haven't had any funding.

Mata and Fellaini were under Moyes where investment was needed yes.

The facts are there to see. Liverpool has matched or at least been around our region of spending during the Sir Alex years despite you winning close to **** all and United dominating the league. It's just the vast number of players Liverpool did sign came to nothing and were sold on.

[GiRTh]

Didn't Dirk Kuyt cost about 15 million?

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Mata and Fellaini were under Moyes where investment was needed yes.

The facts are there to see. Liverpool has matched or at least been around our region of spending during the Sir Alex years despite you winning close to **** all and United dominating the league. It's just the vast number of players Liverpool did sign came to nothing and were sold on.

When we were the dominant force, it was united who were generally spending more money. It's easier to pick off the players you need from a position of strength, and especially with one manager.

When you have to replace 4/5 players each season trying to get back to the top, then it's a lot harder. You end up chasing your tails. United have cut back over the last few years, but I only ever remember you constantly outspending us. Maybe that's just perspective.

Either way, looking at the prices of the players in your team, I don't think it's fair to claim you've been underfunded.

[Brother Leon]

Liverpool has spent boatloads. No club has spent as much as them since 1990 without winning their league. It's why this whole "Liverpol the underdogs" story this year is pretty funny to me. They aren't spending Chesea/City money obviously but they aren't some broke club relying on its accademy to win the league either.

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Didn't Dirk Kuyt cost about 15 million?

He was around £12/13m, or less than a Jose Reye/Sylvan Wiltord in modern money - but he's not part of the squad.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

When we were the dominant force, it was united who were generally spending more money. It's easier to pick off the players you need from a position of strength, and especially with one manager.

When you have to replace 4/5 players each season trying to get back to the top, then it's a lot harder. You end up chasing your tails. United have cut back over the last few years, but I only ever remember you constantly outspending us. Maybe that's just perspective.

Either way, looking at the prices of the players in your team, I don't think it's fair to claim you've been underfunded.

I see where you are coming from and It's a fair point, but I'm not saying we have been underfunded. Just that in comparison to our revenues and success we have. I mean this is a club that makes record sorting revenues after all..

[Brother Leon]

Anyway this has gone crazy off topic. Let's get back to how clueless Moyes is

We can all agree on that

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Liverpool has spent boatloads. No club has spent as much as them since 1990 without winning their league. It's why this whole "Liverpol the underdogs" story this year is pretty funny to me. They aren't spending Chesea/City money obviously but they aren't some broke club relying on its accademy to win the league either.

Easy question - what position did you think Liverpool would finish the season in?

Answer honestly.

Now you'll see why we're underdogs, and we've only spent the money we've earned. There are teams you can criticise for spending ludicrous money in football - but Liverpool isn't one. We've spread our money too thin at times instead of getting one good player, we've signed 3 players.

Regardless of your bad feeling to being more liked by more people, and coupled with your own terrible season, there is no denying that Liverpool are the underdogs.

Jose Mourinho has spent £100m since his return, and Pellegrini spent not far off that too. We spent a ****load less this summer.

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

I see where you are coming from and It's a fair point, but I'm not saying we have been underfunded. Just that in comparison to our revenues and success we have. I mean this is a club that makes record sorting revenues after all..

I also agree about the way the Glazers have stolen your cash. As someone supporting a team with loads less money and H&G, I genuinely understand that frustration. Have to be honest though - I dread the day the Glazers leave!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

He was around £12/13m, or less than a Jose Reye/Sylvan Wiltord in modern money - but he's not part of the squad.

the original point was that Liverpool had out spent United which you claimed was untrue. personally I dont see what Wiltord or Reyes have to do with whether Liverpool have outspent Man Utd.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Didn't Dirk Kuyt cost about 15 million?

Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Kuyt has been one of our best and most consistent players over the past 10 years.