[arista]

Bang On Right






Labour candidate Tristan Osborne criticised Ed Miliband at a £100-a-head party fundraising dinner

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[Ed Miliband was facing turmoil
last night after one of his own
MPs condemned his strategy as ‘suicidal’
and a Labour parliamentary candidate was
secretly recorded describing his leadership
as ‘dodgy’ and ‘incoherent’.
The outbreak of open dissent – just days before
crunch elections – followed a week of mounting panic
in the party after the Conservatives recorded
a lead in the polls for the first time
in more than two years.
Labour MPs have been privately briefing
this weekend that if Mr Miliband does
not ‘show progress’ in Thursday’s local and European
election results, they would collectively
break ranks to call for ‘a mass shake-up’ of
strategy and personnel.]


Life In The City

[joeysteele]

This comes in all parties,there are always a few who are never happy with the way things are and who almost panic at anything that seems a setback.

After the 2010 election and the Conservatives and Lib Dems supposedly coming together to ensure a Govt in the National interest,that well and truly left Labour in the doldroms.
Thrown out of power, a discredited leader and PM and one of the worst ever election campaigns by them too.
Down also to 29.6% of the votes cast in the 2010 election.

For Labour under Ed Miliband to be already in contention for a return to power after only 4 years so far, to see Labour almost just above and at least neck and neck with the Conservatives demonstrates,to me anyway, Ed Miliband's strategy has been effective thus far.

Of course there will be these 'voices from beyond' saying more needs to be done and although that may be right to a degree, sometimes rather than doing too much it is better to just have done enough.
Take fewer risks and hold nerve for now, do more later and never give in to doomwatchers.

[Pete.]

their political broadcast was abysmal and downright condescending

[smeagol]

the guy is a total twat. its really tough i hate the government as its is but i also dont like these clowns either. There is just nothing to like.
everyone of them seem clueless and removed from reality and lack any kind of social skills.
none are down to earth none are real and none are likeable. they all seem to to be the same .

i wish there was some real people willing to go into politics and not these toffs .someone who wants to make a difference.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smeagol

the guy is a total twat. its really tough i hate the government as its is but i also dont like these clowns either. There is just nothing to like.
everyone of them seem clueless and removed from reality and lack any kind of social skills.
none are down to earth none are real and none are likeable. they all seem to to be the same .

i wish there was some real people willing to go into politics and not these toffs .someone who wants to make a difference.

The sad thing is there are many MPs of all parties that are what I call consensus politicians, who really would love to and in fact could make so much difference if they banded together rather than allow themselves to have their voices silenced by the party machines.

Meanwhile we will be left with this tit for tat rubbish that goes on and on as to silly punch and judy politics.
meaningless to the ordinary voters and the biggest turn off to them possible too.

The recent Labour party broadcast was mentioned above and it was indeed rather negative and silly, the sad thing is most party broadcasts just get lost.
They say nothing to the electorate and the odd thing is,I have found anyway, lots of people taking about that particular broadcast who found it humerous.
While not changing how they are likely to vote however in any way.

[Vicky.]

What strategy?

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The sad thing is there are many MPs of all parties that are what I call consensus politicians, who really would love to and in fact could make so much difference if they banded together rather than allow themselves to have their voices silenced by the party machines.

Meanwhile we will be left with this tit for tat rubbish that goes on and on as to silly punch and judy politics.
meaningless to the ordinary voters and the biggest turn off to them possible too.

The recent Labour party broadcast was mentioned above and it was indeed rather negative and silly, the sad thing is most party broadcasts just get lost.
They say nothing to the electorate and the odd thing is,I have found anyway, lots of people taking about that particular broadcast who found it humerous.
While not changing how they are likely to vote however in any way.

exactly . its the wrong people pulling the strings. its all very pitiful more so than usual

[Kizzy]

He looks like a Blairite to me....

[MTVN]

Miliband needs to step down and Diane Abbott must take over for Labour to stand a chance in 2015

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Miliband needs to step down and Diane Abbott must take over for Labour to stand a chance in 2015

I thought we didn't want the racist ones in power

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Miliband needs to step down and Diane Abbott must take over for Labour to stand a chance in 2015

I feel sure you may be sort of joking there.

[MTVN]

The woman of the people

[Kizzy]

He is tackling issues that affect millions of people... Like minimum wage for example, what do people want, just some political clown that sits swigging pints pretending he's so 'down wit the lads' or some lying elitists who haven't committed to one manifesto pledge?
Miliband is attempting to address real issues and real threats to living standards and services in the UK.


'Buckle has found the number of workers on low pay – defined as those paid less than the living wage of £7.45 per hour outside London and £8.80 in the capital – now stands at 5.2 million – one in five of all workers and one in three of women in work. That figure is up from 4.8 million in 2012 and 3.4 million in 2009'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...age-hourly-pay

[arista]

"Miliband is attempting "

Yes hated more than Gordon Brown.

Toffy nosed Miliband
no good for Labour

[Kizzy]

So the government we have now isn't toffy nosed?... there is a difference between educated and elitist.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So the government we have now isn't toffy nosed?... there is a difference between educated and elitist.

Miliband is Elitist
you just can not see it yet

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Miliband is Elitist
you just can not see it yet

What evidence are you basing this theory on?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Miliband is attempting "

Yes hated more than Gordon Brown.

Toffy nosed Miliband
no good for Labour

Another point is a lot of people and Labour voters in particular, liked Gordon Brown and thought until the banking/financial 'global'crisis and the recession that he had done a good job as Chancellor.

It is hard for opposition leaders to capture the top spot when in opposition,it doesn't however stop them winning elections.
Edward Heath was way behind Harold Wilson but he won the 1970 election,Margaret Thatcher was also well behind James Callaghan but she alo went on to win a general election against him.

It isn't necessarily hatred against the man Ed Miliband in these polls, it is that they don't see him as PM which often is the case with opposition leaders.
The other thing in these polls that tell a different story is that usually they say that those asked think Ed Miliband is more in touch with voters than David Cameron.

Often it is the way the questions are asked that define what answers the pollsters get.
To describe Ed Miliband as toffee nosed in comparison to this PM and most of his cabinet is for me near the joke of the year.

[Nedusa]

I think these are the opening shots of a badly timed plan to start to bring a leadership split to Labour. I think the Labour grandees have now realised Miliband does not command a presence the way Tony Bliar did and that he is not really Prime Minister material.

Perhaps they think a different leader would give them a better chance of success in the next General election. Problem is it is a bit late with less than a year to go to change their leader so maybe Labour is stuffed either way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Diane Abbott?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think these are the opening shots of a badly timed plan to start to bring a leadership split to Labour. I think the Labour grandees have now realised Miliband does not command a presence the way Tony Bliar did and that he is not really Prime Minister material.

Perhaps they think a different leader would give them a better chance of success in the next General election. Problem is it is a bit late with less than a year to go to change their leader so maybe Labour is stuffed either way.

I agree mostly, I also do believe that had David Miliband got the leadership the Labour lead would be larger.
Having said that I still see Ed Miliband as the PM after the next election, the Conservatives have never even got to where they were in 2010 at 36.9% of the votes cast in any polls since late 2010 now.

No way is Labour going to be on only 29.6%, which they were in 2010, in 2015.
The Conservatives need to be on something like 39/40% and Labour down on 34% for the Conservatives to even get an overall majority of 2 to4.

So either way Labour will at worst likely be the largest party and at best,in my view, win with at least a 30 overall majority.
The supposed upturn in the economy too is likely to have voters think it is then safer to vote Labour back in again as the voters for sure didn't want to give free reign to the Conservatives in 2010 and left them well short of any overall majority.

Since the Lib Dems are part of this Govt too, the only real opposition to it nationally has been and is Labour, therefore voters sick of this Govts. heartless and discriminatory policies who want rid of it have in all fact nowhere else to go really but back to Labour to be sure of getting this lot out.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree mostly, I also do believe that had David Miliband got the leadership the Labour lead would be larger.
Having said that I still see Ed Miliband as the PM after the next election, the Conservatives have never even got to where they were in 2010 at 36.9% of the votes cast in any polls since late 2010 now.

No way is Labour going to be on only 29.6%, which they were in 2010, in 2015.
The Conservatives need to be on something like 39/40% and Labour down on 34% for the Conservatives to even get an overall majority of 2 to4.

So either way Labour will at worst likely be the largest party and at best,in my view, win with at least a 30 overall majority.
The supposed upturn in the economy too is likely to have voters think it is then safer to vote Labour back in again as the voters for sure didn't want to give free reign to the Conservatives in 2010 and left them well short of any overall majority.

Since the Lib Dems are part of this Govt too, the only real opposition to it nationally has been and is Labour, therefore voters sick of this Govts. heartless and discriminatory policies who want rid of it have in all fact nowhere else to go really but back to Labour to be sure of getting this lot out.

Perhaps Labour will need to use the rent-a-party option. They might embrace Nick Clegg pay him a huge fee , offer him a knighhood and/or a few directorships and Bob's your uncle we would have a Lib-Lab pact just like the old days.

Now what's the chances of that happening ?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Perhaps Labour will need to use the rent-a-party option. They might embrace Nick Clegg pay him a huge fee , offer him a knighhood and/or a few directorships and Bob's your uncle we would have a Lib-Lab pact just like the old days.

Now what's the chances of that happening ?

I would dare bet most of what I have that in a hung parliament like we had the last time in 2010, the Lib Dems would be clamouring for a coalition with Labour and I also am sure that Labour will do so too.
Then see the hypocrisy of the Lib Dems who would then turn again and vote with Labour to repeal things they supported the Conservatives on in this coalition.
Things like the bedroom tax and whatever NHS reforms can be repealed after the 2015 election.

Just watch them,(the Lib Dems), Nedusa,the all things to all policies of all parties if it gets them some Ministerial positions and a period of shared power.
My hope is, that Labour will not need them at all.

Also however, having said that, I do think it likely Labour would virtually demand that Nick Clegg steps down as leader at the very least to do a coalition deal with the Lib Dems.

[Kizzy]

Is the alternative still Vince 'shaft postman pat' Cable?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is the alternative still Vince 'shaft postman pat' Cable?

He has little credibility left too I would say.
I think he is positioning himself but for me he would be a massive step backwards and as a leader he would likely be like a Menzies Campbell,ineffective and irrelevant.