[jet]

Originally Posted by suekesh

I have never made a comment before on any televison programme on a social network but the vile comments that came out of Helen's mouth this evening were disgraceful and I cannot understand why the 'pass' has not been taken off her yet? I also wish her male lap dogs would stand up to her, they all seem to be in her control. How dare she call another person, who does not seem to have done anything the things she called Jale this evening and then Ash (who obviously is just weak) giggled with her which will just make her throw these comments around even more. It is out and out bullying, how we will ever stop kids from bullying each other when adults are even worse. Well done Jale i say for not coming down to her gutter level! BB needs to set an example that blatant bullying will not be tolerated and is indeed punished for it.

Well your first post was a great one! I agree 100%.
Welcome Suekesh

[Jack_]

They have regular chats with and access to psychologists, there are hundreds of DR's we never get to see (and never will do because they're private matters) which no doubt include conversations regarding housemates welfare, I'm pretty sure if she really felt bullied she would say so or they would intervene. They have a legal obligation to do so, it's a workplace

[RomGurl]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Don't be ****ing ridiculous comparing some nasty comments and unnecessary targeting on a reality TV show to domestic violence where one partner controls the other through psychological and physical manipulation to convince them that they're fine and if they leave things will get worse. In fact you insinuating I'd support something like that is making MY blood boil, so quit it

Actually, Jack, I'm not sure you are the voice of experience here. Take it from someone who has been the receiving end of bullying in public life and domestic bullying and violence that even verbal bullying can be horrific to the recipient but sometimes you feel completely powerless to fight back.

Just because someone doesn't have a nervous breakdown whenever something mean is said doesn't mean it don't hurt them. I was brought up to put on a brave face!

To everyone on this forum who doesn't agree that this is bullying, I feel that perhaps you have never been bullied or you would be more understanding!

Those who feel they are strongest in the house are certainly picking on those they perceive to be the weakest imho

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by RomGurl

Actually, Jack, I'm not sure you are the voice of experience here. Take it from someone who has been the receiving end of bullying in public life and domestic bullying and violence that even verbal bullying can be horrific to the recipient but sometimes you feel completely powerless to fight back.

Just because someone doesn't have a nervous breakdown whenever something mean is said doesn't mean it don't hurt them. I was brought up to put on a brave face!

To everyone on this forum who doesn't agree that this is bullying, I feel that perhaps you have never been bullied or you would be more understanding!

Those who feel they are strongest in the house are certainly picking on those they perceive to be the weakest imho

I was bullied, but what happened in the highlights this evening to Jale wasn't as dramatic as people are making out.

Toya didn't respond to Jale when she said good morning to her. And later in the day Helen accused her of listening in and called her a slug.

Now Helen's actions are certainly horrible, but that's not bullying.

[jet]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I was bullied, but what happened in the highlights this evening to Jale wasn't as dramatic as people are making out.

Toya didn't respond to Jale when she said good morning to her. And later in the day Helen accused her of listening in and called her a slug.

Now Helen's actions are certainly horrible, but that's not bullying.

In your opinion it isn't bullying. But if you look at the polls the majority of the forum here, plus Twitter and Facebook postings, think Jale IS being bullied.
I think it's rather arrogant to state 'that's not bullying' as if your opinion is fact and the majority are over - reacting.

[RomGurl]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I was bullied, but what happened in the highlights this evening to Jale wasn't as dramatic as people are making out.

Toya didn't respond to Jale when she said good morning to her. And later in the day Helen accused her of listening in and called her a slug.

Now Helen's actions are certainly horrible, but that's not bullying.

I will continue to disagree with that no matter how many times you say it. End of.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by jet

In your opinion it isn't bullying. But if you look at the polls the majority of the forum here, plus Twitter and Facebook postings, think Jale IS being bullied.
I think it's rather arrogant to state 'that's not bullying' as if your opinion is fact and the majority are over - reacting.

I believe you misunderstand me. I'm not stating anything as fact apart from Jale is being treated badly in there and that she's also being picked on.

The rest is all my opinion. I disagree with the majority of people here, that doesn't make them right and me wrong. It means just that our opinions differ. I don't think it's arrogant of people to say it's bullying, and I don't expect people to think I'm arrogant for saying it's not.

The nastiness in there seems more relentless because we are allowed to see the conversations before and after the small bit that Jale is subjected to. Just my opinion.

[JTM45]

Bullying can come in many different forms and levels and while what we're seeing isn't the worst bullying we've seen on BB it's still clearly bullying.
The definition of bullying is;

using superior strength or influence to intimidate or attempt to intimidate someone

which is what is undeniably happening.

[Robodog]

Different people draw different lines when it comes to what they would call 'bullying'.

For some it needs to get physical. For others it needs to get racist, sexist, homophobic etc before the line is crossed.

I'd say being called a 'slug' and a 'non woman' repeatedly for no reason is just as bad as any racist comment. Personally for me, i'd say it's worse than racism because it is directed personally rather than just some generalised comment about one's race.

But as i say, we all have different levels and lines in the sand regarding acceptable behaviour.

And right now, we cannot say for sure exactly what Jale's line is.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

...hmmm, it's really hard to comment fully because I missed last night's HL show with some of the 'Helen bullying'..?..so I don't know if it was bullying...

..anyway Jack, to an extent you're right and it's something that we use/schools use etc to detect bullying..'do you feel bullied..'..so that can cover quite a lot of things because it's to do with how situations/treatment of that person has made them feel when it comes to emotional/psychological bullying..?...I'm assuming that Jale hasn't said to BB that she feels bullied in the diary room otherwise I think they would have to/would have intervened..?..

..also if I recall, things like the 'slug' comment weren't something that Jale heard or were said directly to her/in earshot of her..(I may be wrong about that..)..so they would be mean/spiteful etc but not necessarily bullying...

..for me so far though, I would class Pauline's behaviour as bullying even if Jale herself didn't feel bullied because it's not so much to do with a 'mean girls' thing and more to do with how she almost 'sinisterly' tries to make people feel small and as though they're treatment is all their fault..she chose Jale for the killer nomination..?..that's cool, she had to choose someone and maybe she didn't get along with Jale so much/didn't like her but then she told Jale how it was all her fault that she'd nominated her and tried to make her feel awful about herself..maybe she didn't think Jale felt quite awful enough..?..so she then went on to try to influence the others but not just in thyeir opinion of Jale which she wanted to be the same as hers but also influence their treatment of Jale and their behaviour toward her, which was to isolate her...the words 'you must isolate Jale/we must isolate Jale..' may not have been used, they wouldn't would they..?..but she was quite aware of her influence over some of the housemates and to me, that;s the 'message' she was giving them and that is also a definition of bullying Jack...

..it's hard also I think when you're actually in that situation and for Jale there are lots of other things like being cut off from her support group/knowing that she's up for eviction each week etc..and even if she felt bullied..?..would expressing that to BB make her a 'pity me' to the public and vote her out etc...there may be reasons why she's reluctant to say anything openly either to BB or the other housemates in a 'confrontational' way...I guess with Helen, she's got her pass to the final so she feels she can act any way she wants to and maybe the more awful the better because it'll get her airtime..?..but with Jale, she's the opposite with a ki8ller nomination so maybe she feels that just 'keeping a lower profile' and not reacting etc or expressing 'bullying' to BB would be the best thing atm..?...

[Marc]

It is bullying. It's something most people can easily recognise from their own experiences growing up. It's 100% bullying and it's cruel. When Jale leaves the house and sees what Helen etc have been saying about her she'll most likely be devastated even though she'll show a stern exterior.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marc

It is bullying. It's something most people can easily recognise from their own experiences growing up. It's 100% bullying and it's cruel. When Jale leaves the house and sees what Helen etc have been saying about her she'll most likely be devastated even though she'll show a stern exterior.

..yeah well, you're a bit of a bully for making a better/more understandable post than mine in much fewer words.....




..what Marc said...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

Totally agree with this, I think how Jale is playing it is perfect, she is not rising to the provocation (though even her sister was surprised that she hadn't kicked off) Jale is aware of how well underdogs do in the house, and Helen and co are playing right into her hands.

[kefln]

I find it disturbing that people don’t view this situation as bullying.

Why should the reactions of the “victim” dictate whether this is bullying?

Helen is part of the “in” crowd, in fact she is the leader of the “in” crowd. She has all the friends and support that is needed in the BB house, while safe in the knowledge that she can never be nominated . She has shown that she is well able to attack in an argument. Anything she does, she has any number of lackeys to rally around her. Her position could not be stronger.

Jale is possibly one of the most isolated people in the house. She does have a few pals, but no real close friends. She has no support network. She is mostly left to sit by herself and chat to whomever comes over. She is up for eviction every week and has no stability because of it. Her position is about as weak as can be.

Helen is a classic bully. She knows how isolated Jale is. She is confident enough to say what she wants about the girl behind her back and now she is saying what she wants to her face.

There was no need for last nights insults. Jale was sitting quietly eating. Helen had her “crowd”. The whole outburst was to belittle Jale. It was a show of power for Helen. She was reminding everyone that she is top dog. And she picked on the most isolated person and someone who has yet to fight back.

The fact that Jale hasn’t broken, or isn’t crying, has nothing to do with whether or not she is a victim of a bully. Because you can’t blame a victim for the actions of another person.

Helen tried to provoke a reaction from Jale in the nastiest way possible, by publicly mocking her. She even went as far as to announce exactly who her attacks were and were not aimed at. She stood her ground waiting for the reaction. There was none, so she walked away publicly insulting Jale, out loud.

Helen has gone from calling Jale a slug in the confines of the bathroom, to out loud in front of everyone. Yet there has been no reason for this escalation. There has been no confrontation, or “he said she said” between them.

Helen has picked an isolated target and has now opened the floodgates for further attacks, by her, or by others.

[Tarryn]

In the outside world Jale would have got up a smacked Helen in that foul mouth of hers, but in that house she can't do this.
If Jale did SHE would be the one evicted & Helen & the rest of the bullies win.
So I think Jale is just being sensible & not doing anything.
I can't believe some people think Jale is bringing this on herself.
She is not playing the victim she IS the victim.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

In the outside world Jale would have got up a smacked Helen in that foul mouth of hers, but in that house she can't do this.
If Jale did SHE would be the one evicted & Helen & the rest of the bullies win.
So I think Jale is just being sensible & not doing anything.
I can't believe some people think Jale is bringing this on herself.
She is not playing the victim she IS the victim.

Exactly.

[Kizzy]

Eh.. in the real world when does this type of situation EVER occur? It doesn't, and people rarely come to blows when they have a disagreement
There has been some sniping and a couple of barbed remarks... I'm beginning to think it's being blown out of all proportion.
Remember deana? she was ostracized and bitched about before the outsiders were formed.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by kefln

I find it disturbing that people don’t view this situation as bullying.

Why should the reactions of the “victim” dictate whether this is bullying?

Helen is part of the “in” crowd, in fact she is the leader of the “in” crowd. She has all the friends and support that is needed in the BB house, while safe in the knowledge that she can never be nominated . She has shown that she is well able to attack in an argument. Anything she does, she has any number of lackeys to rally around her. Her position could not be stronger.

Jale is possibly one of the most isolated people in the house. She does have a few pals, but no real close friends. She has no support network. She is mostly left to sit by herself and chat to whomever comes over. She is up for eviction every week and has no stability because of it. Her position is about as weak as can be.

Helen is a classic bully. She knows how isolated Jale is. She is confident enough to say what she wants about the girl behind her back and now she is saying what she wants to her face.

There was no need for last nights insults. Jale was sitting quietly eating. Helen had her “crowd”. The whole outburst was to belittle Jale. It was a show of power for Helen. She was reminding everyone that she is top dog. And she picked on the most isolated person and someone who has yet to fight back.

The fact that Jale hasn’t broken, or isn’t crying, has nothing to do with whether or not she is a victim of a bully. Because you can’t blame a victim for the actions of another person.

Helen tried to provoke a reaction from Jale in the nastiest way possible, by publicly mocking her. She even went as far as to announce exactly who her attacks were and were not aimed at. She stood her ground waiting for the reaction. There was none, so she walked away publicly insulting Jale, out loud.

Helen has gone from calling Jale a slug in the confines of the bathroom, to out loud in front of everyone. Yet there has been no reason for this escalation. There has been no confrontation, or “he said she said” between them.

Helen has picked an isolated target and has now opened the floodgates for further attacks, by her, or by others.

[LukeB]

Big brother needs to sort this out to be fair or show us and tell us if they have because they might of said something. we only see 1 hour of big brother

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jale gets up and says morning to Toya

Toya blanks her

What kind of evil fecked up person can display such hate after a week or so when that person has done her no wrong. I think its a cultural thing too in terms of extremes between women.

[erinp5]

There have been complaints and even a petition set up over the perceived bullying of Jale Karaturp in Big Brother 2014.



Both Pauline Bennett and Helen Wood have been accused of ganging up against Jale in the house.

Last night we saw Helen brand Jale a “slug” in another clash between the two sides.

“I’m used to this s**t. I’ve been called non woman, all sorts…” Jale reacted to Helen’s “slug” slur. “Let them ******ing think it, I couldn’t give a s**t anymore, I just want to have fun.”

She added: “If I’m that ******ing interesting let them talk about me.”

Fans of the show have now launched a petition demanding Big Brother to step in against the bullies.



Even Big Brother’s Bit On The Side host Luisa Zissman last night admitted the the behaviour in the house reminded her of “playground bullying.”

Several of our readers have also lashed out at both Pauline and Helen for their treatment of not only Jale but also Christopher Hall.

Shaun Joseph Mooney commented: “Bullying should be punished because Helen is the worst for it not right to call someone a slug.”

And Mummy0208 agreed: “I think Helens immunity needs to be revoked because what she is doing to Jale is bullying, she’s a filthy home wrecker with a even filthier mouth and I shall be reporting to Ofcom.”

Telly watchdog Ofcom has already seen over 200 complaints this series, with more than 100 alone prompted by Helen’s “Stop s******g Jesus” remark to Danielle in their argument on last week.


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy;6948312[B

]Eh.. in the real world when does this type of situation EVER occur? It doesn't, and people rarely come to blows when they have a disagreement [/B]
There has been some sniping and a couple of barbed remarks... I'm beginning to think it's being blown out of all proportion.
Remember deana? she was ostracized and bitched about before the outsiders were formed.

.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Jale gets up and says morning to Toya

Toya blanks her

What kind of evil fecked up person can display such hate after a week or so when that person has done her no wrong. I think its a cultural thing too in terms of extremes between women.

What do you mean by that?

[mary poppins]

Its verbal bullying and she should be called to the diary room along with pauline and toya and made to apologise to jale in front of the other hm...It may be just a game but there is no excuse for the name calling, helen already did that to danielle and then had a cheek to say she wasnt the type of person to single people out or be mean to them! come on BB just take them aside and tell them to COP ON!

[flamingGalah!]

Of course it is bullying, 100%...

And those that say they don't think it is bullying obviously have never been bullied. I got bullied at school, in a similar way to how Jale is being bullied & just because you don't let your bullies see that it is affecting you doesn't mean that it isn't!