[Ellen]

I am not keen on Helen and some of the things she has said have been uncalled for but i am not going to judge her on what she did in her past. I will judge her on how she is in the house & so far she isnt doing good.
I do find it odd how a few of the housemates have said she is nice & funny but we never see that, we just get shown her been bitchy. I guess that is good for BB though.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I am not keen on Helen and some of the things she has said have been uncalled for but i am not going to judge her on what she did in her past. I will judge her on how she is in the house & so far she isnt doing good.
I do find it odd how a few of the housemates have said she is nice & funny but we never see that, we just get shown her been bitchy. I guess that is good for BB though.

She probably is nice and funny to the ones she gets on with but the show is an hour long so the arguments and that are just more interesting then her being nice to her friends I guess

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She probably is nice and funny to the ones she gets on with but the show is an hour long so the arguments and that are just more interesting then her being nice to her friends I guess

Yeah you are probably right Niamh.It would be nice to have a bit of balance, if they can find any with Helen

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I am not keen on Helen and some of the things she has said have been uncalled for but i am not going to judge her on what she did in her past. I will judge her on how she is in the house & so far she isnt doing good.
I do find it odd how a few of the housemates have said she is nice & funny but we never see that, we just get shown her been bitchy. I guess that is good for BB though.

This is always the problem with BB editing now sadly, I am sure she has some really good and more entertaining lighter moments.

I agree too that her past is irrelevant while in the house, if it wasn't relevant to stop her becoming a housemate in the first place then for sure it has no relevance now,in my view.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by calyman

Here life experience has helped to shape the person she is. If she was a Christian (hah), like Danielle, we would expect a certain standard of behaviour from her. If she was an intellectual (hah), we would expect a more cerebral response to things.

The fact is the things we do, say and experience, shapes determines the type of person we become.

She is a foul, rancid, bullying individual, obviously full of self loathing and resentment. I would suggest her previous lifestyle is very much relevant here in explaining how awful and nasty she is.

Clearly there are reasons for why people may become prostitutes; some do it because they are drug addicts, some because they want as much cash as possible for minimal effort, some choose it as a career. I would suggest Helen become one because she wants more than her abilities and accomplishments can provide her. In that sense, she is a nasty, exploitative, mean spirited skank. Therefore her skanky exploits are very much relevant to the type of person she is now.

Then your supposition would be incorrect, she stated it was due to spiraling debt.

'This is the story of an ordinary girl who became a single mother at 16 and then got herself into debt. She had borrowed Ł500 from a loan shark for a holiday to Spain'

'For almost two years, she slept with men for money. Her most famous client was Wayne Rooney'


http://www.independent.ie/woman/cele...-26750972.html

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then your supposition would be incorrect, she stated it was due to spiraling debt.

'This is the story of an ordinary girl who became a single mother at 16 and then got herself into debt. She had borrowed Ł500 from a loan shark for a holiday to Spain'

'For almost two years, she slept with men for money. Her most famous client was Wayne Rooney'


http://www.independent.ie/woman/cele...-26750972.html

You have missed the point of what I wrote. Do you really think that anything that comes out of the skank's mouth is true. What she says and what she does are in contradiction to each other.

The original question was, is her prostitute's lifestyle relevant to how she acts today. I trust my insight into how she acts, with how she interacts with others. She takes especial delight in trying to bully Jale, who though a plain looking woman has more beauty as a human than the skank does. The skank is a self loathing individual, not because she became a prostitute but because she became a nasty vindictive, money grubbing prossy, wanting everything for minimal effort. Her past is very much relevant to her present. She has lived as a prostitute, not as a woman in need but as a woman in greed.

If you presume that our past does not influence our present, then clearly we see things very differently.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by calyman

You have missed the point of what I wrote. Do you really think that anything that comes out of the skank's mouth is true. What she says and what she does are in contradiction to each other.

The original question was, is her prostitute's lifestyle relevant to how she acts today. I trust my insight into how she acts, with how she interacts with others. She takes especial delight in trying to bully Jale, who though a plain looking woman has more beauty as a human than the skank does. The skank is a self loathing individual, not because she became a prostitute but because she became a nasty vindictive, money grubbing prossy, wanting everything for minimal effort. Her past is very much relevant to her present. She has lived as a prostitute, not as a woman in need but as a woman in greed.

If you presume that our past does not influence our present, then clearly we see things very differently.

No I haven't, don't do a toya on me You assume you know helens motives because youve decided in your mind she's a 'skank' that's a given.
The OP questions if it's relevent to apply her past actions to her time in the house as I see it... and if you've taken it upon yourself to be judge, jury and executioner there's nothing else to say.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I haven't, don't do a toya on me You assume you know helens motives because youve decided in your mind she's a 'skank' that's a given.
The OP questions if it's relevent to apply her past actions to her time in the house as I see it... and if you've taken it upon yourself to be judge, jury and executioner there's nothing else to say.

Which is no less valid than you seeking to separate her past lifestyle with how she is today. What gives you the right to make judgements different from mine then accuse me of being "judge jury and executioner" because I see things differently from you.

Me, I don't go for falseness. Clearly what one has done in the past, is very much relevant with how one is in the present. We do not live in a vacuum; we are the people we are because of what we have experienced, learned and done in our past. Some may benefit from gaining insights into their life, Helen is not one of those people. She is nasty and skanky.

[Vicky.]

Her past doesn't bother me. I don't tend to judge HMs on their outside life, however I can't help but giggle when shes getting on her high horse about taking other peoples stuff and that

[Lostie!]

I don't look down on someone for being a prostitute, and I feel acting like someone is a bad person simply for this is highly unfair. Specifically sleeping with married men knowingly, however, is a different matter.

Still, I intended to judge her purely on her in-house behaviour, but because she's been so unpleasant, hurtful and judgmental, I can't feel much sympathy for her when people are in turn judgemental of her for much more valid reasons.

Also, when she makes bitchy, but ironic, comments like "Do you always help yourself to other people's stuff", and "I feel like they're disrupting a family", comments about how these lines could refer to her own former antics are bound to happen.

[smudgie]

No, I don't judge her on her being a prostitute.
However, perhaps the job she does or did has shaped her personality a little.
She has an awful personality, very hard faced, sooner she is out the better.

[Kizzy]

Everything she says and does....... yes, but you were once a prostitute.
The married men in these scenarios blameless then?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Everything she says and does....... yes, but you were once a prostitute.
The married men in these scenarios blameless then?

Perhaps a married man sleeping with a prostitute actually saves the marriage in some cases, better than them having an affair to get their jollies.

[Josy]

Well it all comes down to individual opinion really. Every year on here some people judge a housemate including their past in it and some don't, it's just always been the way of it.

I personally don't judge Helen in the house on her past, she's awful enough in there as it without even bringing that into it IMO however I do agree with Vicky that you can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy of some of the things she says when you remember what her past is.

It also sometimes mingles together when you think about it, Helen got so irate at possibly being referred to as a slag by Danielle and the whole big drama occurred and I would guess that's because Helen was thinking of her past, she more than likely thought Danielle knew who she was and made reference to it, the thing is because of what she's done the stigma will always be with her, that's her own doing and no one else is to blame for it and no one can really blame others if they choose to judge her for it.

[Kizzy]

Oh well the goalposts shift again, now it's fine to refer to past actions, she will be criticised and judged for it, that could be seen as bullying too though for me.
Being called a slag by danielle the catholic was what hit the nerve I would say, maybe something in her past triggered that reaction to her sanctimonious moralising?

[Samwell]

Is it possible to make a good guess on how many penises she has had inside of her?

[Jack_]

Of course it's not relevant and the fact that people are constantly chucking words like 'slag' and 'slapper' around in 2014 as well as calling her a 'homewrecker' for the Wayne Rooney incident when he was the married man that paid someone to do a job for him which she obviously fulfilled cause um...that was her job - speaks volumes about the latent misogyny that exists in society. It's really quite repulsive.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Of course it's not relevant and the fact that people are constantly chucking words like 'slag' and 'slapper' around in 2014 as well as calling her a 'homewrecker' for the Wayne Rooney incident when he was the married man that paid someone to do a job for him which she obviously fulfilled cause um...that was her job - speaks volumes about the latent misogyny that exists in society. It's really quite repulsive.

And lots of people find selling your body repulsive too.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

And lots of people find selling your body repulsive too.

If you're still in the 1940s yeah

What other people do with their bodies is no one else's business, so long as people are of age and consenting anyone is free to do what they like, as many times as they like and with anyone they like and even for money if they so wish. If some people wouldn't do it themselves that's fine, but criticising others when it's not your body is quite pathetic. Anyone that cares takes life too seriously and should sort their priorities out, I mean there's wars, famine and economic and social inequality around the world and people are concerned about whether some people are selling sex? It's such a non-issue unless you're directly involved in it yourself

Some people are even forced into prostitution either literally or because they need the money and have little other means of acquiring it so the idea that people could be repulsed by that is actually quite saddening

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you're still in the 1940s yeah

What other people do with their bodies is no one else's business, so long as people are of age and consenting anyone is free to do what they like, as many times as they like and with anyone they like and even for money if they so wish. If some people wouldn't do it themselves that's fine, but criticising others when it's not your body is quite pathetic. Anyone that cares takes life too seriously and should sort their priorities out, I mean there's wars, famine and economic and social inequality around the world and people are concerned about whether some people are selling sex? It's such a non-issue unless you're directly involved in it yourself

Some people are even forced into prostitution either literally or because they need the money and have little other means of acquiring it so the idea that people could be repulsed by that is actually quite saddening

Well theres plenty of people that find prostitution disgusting and it's not the 1940's so yeah that's that point flawed isn't it.

And it's none of your business if other people choose to find it disgusting, humiliating and degrading.

Wont even bother replying to the rest of your post tbh because it's just insulting anyone that disagrees with your opinion.

[Northern Monkey]

I think in Helens case it could be relevant,It may have contributed in making her the bitter old twat she is now.

[Jordan.]

It's annoying how she acts holier than thou when we all know what common trash she is

[Verbal]

I really don't see what the big deal is about prostitutes and why people are so against it.

[Livia]

Being a prostitute is one thing. Selling your story to the tabloids and becoming some kind of celebrity off the back of it is quite another. Then she looks down her nose at other people. She has no problem judging...

[Candy Annie Cane]

To be fair to Helen...aparaently she only sold her story due to the other girl involved selling hers first and naming her....her story did come later...her name was out there in the public realm so she then sold hers...

That doesn't excuse her behaviour in anyway by the way....