[kefln]

Originally Posted by Josy

I disagree with this, Ash is showing plenty just having normal conversations.

Ashleigh on the other hand isn't, every time she is on screen she bitches and not just about Helen (this vapid person you mention) Jale, Kim, Ash, Marlon, Winston have all came under attack from her.

Her 'mistake' was getting too smug and revealing too much of her spiteful personality.

Normal conversations about how there are no real slags in the house, can't remember the word used. Or that wonder conversation on how Jale diving would leave no water in the pool.

What does that say about his personality?

And do you really what a bitching comparison?

Chris and Matthew have both called the rest of the house idiots.

Helen/Ash/Marlon have bitched about Ashleigh, Danielle, Chris, Christopher, Jale, Toya...

Danielle has bitched about Ash, Kim, Jale, Chris...actually pretty much everyone...apart from maybe Mark - who she believes shouldn't be allowed to get married.

I coul go on, but the list is extensive, because they are all at it.

[Samm]

The series has gone down hill, what they need is VTS it would make it a lot better

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kefln

Normal conversations about how there are no real slags in the house, can't remember the word used. Or that wonder conversation on how Jale diving would leave no water in the pool.

What does that say about his personality?

And do you really what a bitching comparison?

Chris and Matthew have both called the rest of the house idiots.

Helen/Ash/Marlon have bitched about Ashleigh, Danielle, Chris, Christopher, Jale, Toya...

Danielle has bitched about Ash, Kim, Jale, Chris...actually pretty much everyone...apart from maybe Mark - who she believes shouldn't be allowed to get married.

I coul go on, but the list is extensive, because they are all at it.

I am not denying they are all at it, it happens but most of them don't do it constantly.

Ash has said the thing about there being no sluts in the house once btw.

None of this changes the fact that Ashleigh bitches constant, it's actually non stop (from what we have been shown) that's why a lot of the public dislike her and that added to her sneaky 'plan' is one of the reasons Matthew was voted out...

[Kazanne]

Difference between Helen and Ashleigh is plain to see if people want to,Helen is a gobby bitch,but does regret and admit some stuff that's she's done,Ashleigh is a quiet bitch who slates people behind their backs,never to their faces and relishes in her hate of them,Helen also knows how to have a laugh,the only movement on Ashleighs lips are when she smugly smirks thinking she has achieved something spiteful,it was great to see egg on her face last night.

[Ellen]

I dont think it is a case of people suddenly loving Ash & Helen. It is more that the public were turned off by the constant bitching & spite that Ashleigh did. She went OTT.

[Moosething]

Originally Posted by Josy

I disagree with this, Ash is showing plenty just having normal conversations.

Ashleigh on the other hand isn't, every time she is on screen she bitches and not just about Helen (this vapid person you mention) Jale, Kim, Ash, Marlon, Winston have all came under attack from her.

Her 'mistake' was getting too smug and revealing too much of her spiteful personality.

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[kefln]

Originally Posted by Josy

I am not denying they are all at it, it happens but most of them don't do it constantly.

Ash has said the thing about there being no sluts in the house once btw.

None of this changes the fact that Ashleigh bitches constant, it's actually non stop (from what we have been shown) that's why a lot of the public dislike her and that added to her sneaky 'plan' is one of the reasons Matthew was voted out...

Isnt that the point? What we've seen?

If they are editing the HLS to show us the "worst", or more controversial parts, then there could be entire days of Ashleigh smiling, Ash being a gent and Helen being a mother figure.

But we aren't seeing that.

If we are seeing the "worst" then Ashleigh worst parts aren't all that bad, but Ashs are truly horrible. Because the worst you can say about her is that shes a bitch. The worst you can say about him is that he's a total b**t**d...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kefln

Isnt that the point? What we've seen?

If they are editing the HLS to show us the "worst", or more controversial parts, then there could be entire days of Ashleigh smiling, Ash being a gent and Helen being a mother figure.

But we aren't seeing that.

If we are seeing the "worst" then Ashleigh worst parts aren't all that bad, but Ashs are truly horrible. Because the worst you can say about her is that shes a bitch. The worst you can say about him is that he's a total b**t**d...

A total bastard? I thinks that a very OTT reaction to some comments to Jale which he apologised for but that's just my opinion.

And I personally think Ashleighs worst parts are bad.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Difference between Helen and Ashleigh is plain to see if people want to,Helen is a gobby bitch,but does regret and admit some stuff that's she's done,Ashleigh is a quiet bitch who slates people behind their backs,never to their faces and relishes in her hate of them,Helen also knows how to have a laugh,the only movement on Ashleighs lips are when she smugly smirks thinking she has achieved something spiteful,it was great to see egg on her face last night.

LOL

Yes its the quiet ones that don't cause trouble that are the worst. The ones that have to be threatened by the powers that be for their behaviour, they aren't half as bad...

LOL

Got to love deflection...its comical

[Razor]

I don't understand it either. I turned off once I saw Mathew was evicted.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Josy

A total bastard? I thinks that a very OTT reaction to some comments to Jale which he apologised for but that's just my opinion.

And I personally think Ashleighs worst parts are bad.

And I personally beleive that its an OTT reaction for people to dislike Ashleigh for mild bitching.

While I do believe that mocking people for their weight, insulting people to their face with distrubing images, discussing female HMs in derogatory ways and laughing while others hurl insults, makes for a very unpleasant individual.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Difference between Helen and Ashleigh is plain to see if people want to,Helen is a gobby bitch,but does regret and admit some stuff that's she's done,Ashleigh is a quiet bitch who slates people behind their backs,never to their faces and relishes in her hate of them,Helen also knows how to have a laugh,the only movement on Ashleighs lips are when she smugly smirks thinking she has achieved something spiteful,it was great to see egg on her face last night.

Good post Kazanne

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by kefln

And I personally beleive that its an OTT reaction for people to dislike Ashleigh for mild bitching.

While I do believe that mocking people for their weight, insulting people to their face with distrubing images, discussing female HMs in derogatory ways and laughing while others hurl insults, makes for a very unpleasant individual.

I didn't like her when she was just being a boring bitch. When she turned evil I started to like her more. I think it's when she is with Danielle I don't the pair of them being boring bitches in their dressing gowns. When she is by herself acting evil like in diary room or at the party, she becomes very attractive in a sexy femme fatale type of way.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

For the first time in a long time, I have finally lost touch with BB and the public.

What's with the Ashleigh hate?

People say, 'the Irish girl got what was coming to her. She got too big for her boots...'

What, because she doesn't like gobby bully Helen or nasty Ash?

Because Ashleigh is on the good guys side, you now suddenly want her out?

Staggering. How people who hated Helen and Ash last week, now are their biggest fans just because Ashleigh was clever enough to get Ash put up.

I do not understand it. I've lost touch, I really have. I'm now in the minority.

Suddenly everyone loves Ash and Helen and probably Marlon too.

The viewers are probably now behind a Steven/Kimberly romance.

It's all upside down.

Gusto, the majority of the GBP who watch BB want to see bullies and girls with boob jobs and bare chested 'lads' and sex talk, unfortunately.
The show is now designed to appeal the lowest common denominator.
Which is probably why it's losing more discerning watchers particularly this season, as evidenced by the viewing figures.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by jet

The show is now designed to appeal the lowest common denominator.
Which is probably why it's losing more discerning watchers particularly this season, as evidenced by the viewing figures.

I agree with this part. Question is why don't the producers try something different?

[jet]

Originally Posted by kefln

And I personally beleive that its an OTT reaction for people to dislike Ashleigh for mild bitching.

While I do believe that mocking people for their weight, insulting people to their face with distrubing images, discussing female HMs in derogatory ways and laughing while others hurl insults, makes for a very unpleasant individual.

The majority of the public obviously like that sort of behaviour and want those people to triumph, as they have clearly shown, unfortunately. It depends very much on personal standards and morals, I suppose.

[reece(:]

All Ashleigh has done is bitched, Helen has been verbally discriminative and acted aggressively many times and Ashleigh is vilified for it

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by jet

The majority of the public obviously like that sort of behaviour and want those people to triumph, as they have clearly shown, unfortunately. It depends very much on personal standards and morals, I suppose.

If it was a vote to save and Ash was saved first, then your claim would make sense. But it was a vote to evict and almost as many people wanted Ash out as did Matt.

So the behavior of both Matt & Ash was the most disliked by the viewers.

[jet]

Originally Posted by reece(:

All Ashleigh has done is bitched, Helen has been verbally discriminative and acted aggressively many times and Ashleigh is vilified for it

Ashleigh sees them for what they were, she doesn't try to hide her disgust but is open and transparent about how she feels by not licking up to the clique. She's stuck in a house with that lot and people expect her to pretend that she's enjoying herself. She and her friend confide their feelings in each other, but it's only Ashleigh, not Danielle, who gets vilified for (shock! horror! ) - bitching. She doesn't rudely confront people with profanities and threats and she's a coward. She tries to hit the unpleasant individuals were it hurts and people vote out someone else to spite her.
You couldn't make it up.

[jet]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

If it was a vote to save and Ash was saved first, then your claim would make sense. But it was a vote to evict and almost as many people wanted Ash out as did Matt.

So the behavior of both Matt & Ash was the most disliked by the viewers.

Ash was far and away the fave to go with the bookies and all the forum polls. Matthew was nowhere near. The public voted Matthew to spite Ashleigh and showed that they preferred the cliques behaviour as described in the posts above more than they preferred a girl with morals.
I'd say there was a huge push by a contingent of the public near the finishing post to keep Ash in. Their pockets must feel a lot lighter today. lol

[rubymoo]

Everyone thought Ash was defo to go, so he ended up staying because no one voted him out.

That's it in a nutshell!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Difference between Helen and Ashleigh is plain to see if people want to,Helen is a gobby bitch,but does regret and admit some stuff that's she's done,Ashleigh is a quiet bitch who slates people behind their backs,never to their faces and relishes in her hate of them,Helen also knows how to have a laugh,the only movement on Ashleighs lips are when she smugly smirks thinking she has achieved something spiteful,it was great to see egg on her face last night.

Whats so wrong about bitching behind peoples backs?

What makes saying it to peoples faces so right?

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by jet

Ash was far and away the fave to go with the bookies and all the forum polls. Matthew was nowhere near. The public voted Matthew to spite Ashleigh and showed that they preferred the cliques behaviour as described in the posts above more than they preferred a girl with morals.

That is possible, I don't know why everyone voted. But there are other possibilities.

The polls were flooded with votes against Ash on the first day noms were announced, that is a great representation of who would go on that day. But the eps that followed, showed Matt to be pretty dislikeable, while Ash faded into the background (always a smart tactic to stay in BB).

I recall posting in a thread, the topic was about how one sided one of the polls was, I said something like, there is many a slip between the cup and the lip, and that Ash wasn't gone yet. Not I that thought he would stay, it was just I figured that it wasn't as much a foregone result as it seemed.

Anyway my point is that it wasn't an either or choice, someone who voted to evict Matt, it doesn't mean they supported Ash, or that they want him to stay. Matt behavior in the eyes of the voters was slightly worse than Ash on the week they were both up.

Or if the voters did see it as one of Helen's team facing off against one of Ashleigh's. Then the same also applies, Ashleigh's behavior was worse than Helen's on this week. I think looking back, that's pretty clear to see now.

[jet]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

That is possible, I don't know why everyone voted. But there are other possibilities.

The polls were flooded with votes against Ash on the first day noms were announced, that is a great representation of who would go on that day. But the eps that followed, showed Matt to be pretty dislikeable, while Ash faded into the background (always a smart tactic to stay in BB).

I recall posting in a thread, the topic was about how one sided one of the polls was, I said something like, there is many a slip between the cup and the lip, and that Ash wasn't gone yet. Not I that thought he would stay, it was just I figured that it wasn't as much a foregone result as it seemed.

Anyway my point is that it wasn't an either or choice, someone who voted to evict Matt, it doesn't mean they supported Ash, or that they want him to stay. Matt behavior in the eyes of the voters was slightly worse than Ash on the week they were both up.

Or if the voters did see it as one of Helen's team facing off against one of Ashleigh's. Then the same also applies, Ashleigh's behavior was worse than Helen's on this week. I think looking back, that's pretty clear to see now.

I respect your take on things (we all see things differently) but I don't think Matthew was unlikable at all. In fact, many people loved the relationship he had with the peoples fave Mark and the banter between them.

We seen Chris saying how Matthew was great, how funny he was but his humour might be taken the wrong way until you get to understand him. Which should have showed the public that he could get interesting and deserved a chance.

....Cut to Ash arrogantly saying it would be a mistake for people to vote him out and the lads all were sitting around saying girls wanted to see bare chested good looking men an how Matthew didn't qualify. I see nothing likable there, just arrogance and vanity.

I didn't see Helen as likeable this week at all. She was still bitching and making snidey faces and complaining about Jale and Kim leaving her out and having a bath together, as if they have to ask her permission. The only reason she's keeping a lid on it is because she got warned.

I hold to my opinion that a certain contingent wanted Ash saved at all costs to spite Ashleigh (look at how many are gloating at the 'look on hr face'). And their push in the latter stages of voting achieved this.

[M X]

I agree. The public have hated Helen since Day 1, and then as soon as anybody stands up to her the public are gunning for them. Danielle got booed after her argument with Helen, Matthew was evicted, then Ashleigh is the next one they are going for. Watch out Winston.