[kefln]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Nope, the others didn't know Ashleigh. From Helen's point of view, Ashleigh was a girl who wouldn't talk to her. And Ash hardly said a bad word about her.

And regardless of Helen versus Ashleigh storyline that Ashleigh manufactured. If you look at it as an Ash versus Matt eviction. Ash is easy on the eye and liked to have fun in there, sure he said a couple of mean things but was Matt a better housemate. He just kinda hing around with Mark. He said nasty things, called people chavs.

Matt didn't have a lot going for him, and it could be that he didn't get involved in having fun in there, that could have been his downfall.

Actually Ash picked Ashleigh out last week as the one person he could not stand. And this was before Ashleigh started to "wake" up in terms of bitchiness.

And how is Ash having fun? Apart from smoking and bitching he does little, apart from making the occasional sexist remark. He got a lot of enforced screen time this week because of the task, but he should revert to type now, sitting in the corner with Helen, telling everyone they their group is the "fun" one.

[Josy]

Ashleigh's plan was a good one, she half got it right but then her spiteful streak, bitching, smugness and miserable personality got in the way.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Josy

Ashleigh's plan was a good one, she half got it right but then her spiteful streak, bitching, smugness and miserable personality got in the way.

You could also say, Ash was saved despite his spiteful streak, bitching, smugness and miserable personality.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kefln

You could also say, Ash was saved despite his spiteful streak, bitching, smugness and miserable personality.

The difference being Ash never conjured up a plan to get rid of anyone and brag in the DR about it?

He also doesn't sit bitching on tv constantly.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Josy

The difference being Ash never conjured up a plan to get rid of anyone and brag in the DR about it?

He also doesn't sit bitching on tv constantly.

All Ash does is make snide, somewhat derogatory, sometimes outright nasty comments.

Ashleighs "plan" was retaliation against a vapid individual.

Her "mistake" was not sugar coating it. She didn't hide her dislike. She was very direct in her opinion.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kefln

All Ash does is make snide, somewhat derogatory, sometimes outright nasty comments.

Ashleighs "plan" was retaliation against a vapid individual.

Her "mistake" was not sugar coating it. She didn't hide her dislike. She was very direct in her opinion.

I disagree with this, Ash is showing plenty just having normal conversations.

Ashleigh on the other hand isn't, every time she is on screen she bitches and not just about Helen (this vapid person you mention) Jale, Kim, Ash, Marlon, Winston have all came under attack from her.

Her 'mistake' was getting too smug and revealing too much of her spiteful personality.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Josy

I disagree with this, Ash is showing plenty just having normal conversations.

Ashleigh on the other hand isn't, every time she is on screen she bitches and not just about Helen (this vapid person you mention) Jale, Kim, Ash, Marlon, Winston have all came under attack from her.

Her 'mistake' was getting too smug and revealing too much of her spiteful personality.

Normal conversations about how there are no real slags in the house, can't remember the word used. Or that wonder conversation on how Jale diving would leave no water in the pool.

What does that say about his personality?

And do you really what a bitching comparison?

Chris and Matthew have both called the rest of the house idiots.

Helen/Ash/Marlon have bitched about Ashleigh, Danielle, Chris, Christopher, Jale, Toya...

Danielle has bitched about Ash, Kim, Jale, Chris...actually pretty much everyone...apart from maybe Mark - who she believes shouldn't be allowed to get married.

I coul go on, but the list is extensive, because they are all at it.

[Moosething]

Originally Posted by Josy

I disagree with this, Ash is showing plenty just having normal conversations.

Ashleigh on the other hand isn't, every time she is on screen she bitches and not just about Helen (this vapid person you mention) Jale, Kim, Ash, Marlon, Winston have all came under attack from her.

Her 'mistake' was getting too smug and revealing too much of her spiteful personality.

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[Gusto Brunt]

Sorry I am still baffled. We must be in a parallel universe because the show I am watching is obviously slightly different to the one you and others are watching.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Sorry I am still baffled. We must be in a parallel universe because the show I am watching is obviously slightly different to the one you and others are watching.

The BB rules:

1) Pretty girls must never have an opinion.

2) If you are a bitch, you must be a total uncontrollable bitch, then you are "entertaining".

3) If you are a man, make sure you are muscled, and attractive. Then you can say and do what you want, because you might not win, but you will beat any female with an opinion...

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by kefln

Actually Ash picked Ashleigh out last week as the one person he could not stand. And this was before Ashleigh started to "wake" up in terms of bitchiness.

And how is Ash having fun? Apart from smoking and bitching he does little, apart from making the occasional sexist remark. He got a lot of enforced screen time this week because of the task, but he should revert to type now, sitting in the corner with Helen, telling everyone they their group is the "fun" one.

Ash would play around in the pool, do pranks. I recall him having a good laugh in there with Helen and with his friends Marlon & Winston. Whereas Matt seemed to be melting into his own bed whenever he was shown there chatting to Mark. He was like Mister Burns from the Simpsons.

HoweverI think the way Matt started his experience kinda was a bit unfair on him, while everyone else got to bond, he was in isolation for the first night. So I'm sure that hampered his game in there.

Anyway Ash not being able to stand Ashleigh, kinda shows he was very intuitive. As it turned out she wanted to get rid of him just to get at Helen, not because of anything Ash done against her.

And you may have seen Ash as one who brought little fun to the house, but surely Matt brought even less fun by your standards.