[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I am stating MY interpretations of her actions via my opinion.

You do as you will in the knowledge that it will not influence me.

If you feel the need to harass me for being a fan of helen then go right ahead.

I'm neither trying to influence you, nor am I "harassing" you. I'm quoting your interpretations and vehemently disagreeing with them.

Again, it's a discussion forum... Not a "state your opinion and not have anyone respond" forum. That's called a blog. If you want to do that... Start a blog? Otherwise I think you need to accept that people have the right to quote you and strongly disagree with you, and that it's not "harassment".

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm neither trying to influence you, nor am I "harassing" you. I'm quoting your interpretations and vehemently disagreeing with them.

Again, it's a discussion forum... Not a "state your opinion and not have anyone respond" forum. That's called a blog. If you want to do that... Start a blog? Otherwise I think you need to accept that people have the right to quote you and strongly disagree with you, and that it's not "harassment".

You quote me all you want to stop me spreading all this 'positivity' around like an STI... God I'm such a filthy bitch I need to be spanked!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You quote me all you want to stop me spreading all this 'positivity' around like an STI... God I'm such a filthy bitch I need to be spanked!

Well exactly, we disagree. You see it as positivity, I see it as defending / promoting a housemate who is the very embodiment of everything that has gone wrong with, and will be the death of, a show that I've loved for more than half of my life. It's anything but positive. It's like sprinkling dog**** with icing sugar, proclaiming it a slice of cake, then calling everyone else negative when they refuse to eat it.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well exactly, we disagree. You see it as positivity, I see it as defending / promoting a housemate who is the very embodiment of everything that has gone wrong with, and will be the death of, a show that I've loved for more than half of my life. It's anything but positive. It's like sprinkling dog**** with icing sugar, proclaiming it a slice of cake, then calling everyone else negative when they refuse to eat it.

I totally agree with you ,it is beyond me how any one can make exscuses for Helens behaviour .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well exactly, we disagree. You see it as positivity, I see it as defending / promoting a housemate who is the very embodiment of everything that has gone wrong with, and will be the death of, a show that I've loved for more than half of my life. It's anything but positive. It's like sprinkling dog**** with icing sugar, proclaiming it a slice of cake, then calling everyone else negative when they refuse to eat it.

No, YOU see it as positivity...
' I dislike her and I think you have her wrong so I'm stating a counter-point to refute that opinion, in hopes that others might not be swayed by your positivity'

Can you just stop with the analogies please... I like the diverse personalities on BB and I've watched from the first series, have you ever asked yourself why you have such an extreme reaction to helen?
Maybe your projecting something onto her that you really need to express.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, YOU see it as positivity...
' I dislike her and I think you have her wrong so I'm stating a counter-point to refute that opinion, in hopes that others might not be swayed by your positivity'

Can you just stop with the analogies please... I like the diverse personalities on BB and I've watched from the first series, have you ever asked yourself why you have such an extreme reaction to helen?
Maybe your projecting something onto her that you really need to express.

I know why I've had the reaction I've had and have explained it in detail in several threads, including this one. She's as awful a character, and as much of a bully as Conor two years ago (probably worse) but that's only a start. There's no plucky band of "soldiers" to battle against her, she's simply hammering the entire show into the ground. Already poor viewing figures are plummeting; she's a huge part of the reason.

All of this is bad enough, BUT THEN -

She's not even a "genuine" Big Brother housemate, someone who wanted to go in and so went for it. Even Conor was that. No... she sold her body as a prostitute and then pimped herself out to anyone who would listen for interviews in a deliberate attempt to gain notoriety ("didn't want it" my arse! PLEASE!!), hired herself a z-list agent, and then was head-hunted by Big Brother production.

It's a joke. It makes the entire show a joke. She's the embodiment of the reason that a show that used to be watched by millions and was really a television phenomenon, is now seen as dirty, tacky trash telly that goes hand in hand with dirty, tacky trash press.

She is the end of the show, with a butchered face and a big gob.

Maybe it is unfair to "shoot the messenger", so to speak. When it comes down to it, it's the fault of the people who make the show (and their lords and masters in charge of the channel and advertising revenue) that it's become this. They shouldn't have contacted her... they shouldn't have brought her in. They should have let genuine housemates audition and found genuine characters from that. But they didn't. They hired a hooker. And that makes me angry.

It would make me angry if she was a nice person... and then at least I'd be able to direct it fully at those people pulling the strings. But whatever way you try to paint her, no matter how any people seem determined to make out that she's a good (or even "legendary") housemate, there's no getting away from it. She is an AWFUL person.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I know why I've had the reaction I've had and have explained it in detail in several threads, including this one. She's as awful a character, and as much of a bully as Conor two years ago (probably worse) but that's only a start. There's no plucky band of "soldiers" to battle against her, she's simply hammering the entire show into the ground. Already poor viewing figures are plummeting; she's a huge part of the reason.

All of this is bad enough, BUT THEN -

She's not even a "genuine" Big Brother housemate, someone who wanted to go in and so went for it. Even Conor was that. No... she sold her body as a prostitute and then pimped herself out to anyone who would listen for interviews in a deliberate attempt to gain notoriety ("didn't want it" my arse! PLEASE!!), hired herself a z-list agent, and then was head-hunted by Big Brother production.

It's a joke. It makes the entire show a joke. She's the embodiment of the reason that a show that used to be watched by millions and was really a television phenomenon, is now seen as dirty, tacky trash telly that goes hand in hand with dirty, tacky trash press.

She is the end of the show, with a butchered face and a big gob.

Maybe it is unfair to "shoot the messenger", so to speak. When it comes down to it, it's the fault of the people who make the show (and their lords and masters in charge of the channel and advertising revenue) that it's become this. They shouldn't have contacted her... they shouldn't have brought her in. They should have let genuine housemates audition and found genuine characters from that. But they didn't. They hired a hooker. And that makes me angry.

It would make me angry if she was a nice person... and then at least I'd be able to direct it fully at those people pulling the strings. But whatever way you try to paint her, no matter how any people seem determined to make out that she's a good (or even "legendary") housemate, there's no getting away from it. She is an AWFUL person.

Totally agree .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I know why I've had the reaction I've had and have explained it in detail in several threads, including this one. She's as awful a character, and as much of a bully as Conor two years ago (probably worse) but that's only a start. There's no plucky band of "soldiers" to battle against her, she's simply hammering the entire show into the ground. Already poor viewing figures are plummeting; she's a huge part of the reason.

All of this is bad enough, BUT THEN -

She's not even a "genuine" Big Brother housemate, someone who wanted to go in and so went for it. Even Conor was that. No... she sold her body as a prostitute and then pimped herself out to anyone who would listen for interviews in a deliberate attempt to gain notoriety ("didn't want it" my arse! PLEASE!!), hired herself a z-list agent, and then was head-hunted by Big Brother production.

It's a joke. It makes the entire show a joke. She's the embodiment of the reason that a show that used to be watched by millions and was really a television phenomenon, is now seen as dirty, tacky trash telly that goes hand in hand with dirty, tacky trash press.

She is the end of the show, with a butchered face and a big gob.

Maybe it is unfair to "shoot the messenger", so to speak. When it comes down to it, it's the fault of the people who make the show (and their lords and masters in charge of the channel and advertising revenue) that it's become this. They shouldn't have contacted her... they shouldn't have brought her in. They should have let genuine housemates audition and found genuine characters from that. But they didn't. They hired a hooker. And that makes me angry.

It would make me angry if she was a nice person... and then at least I'd be able to direct it fully at those people pulling the strings. But whatever way you try to paint her, no matter how any people seem determined to make out that she's a good (or even "legendary") housemate, there's no getting away from it. She is an AWFUL person.

You were doing so well.... I disagree, I think having housemates from all socioeconomic groups and backgrounds enriches the series. She may not be your cup of tea but I feel she brings a lot to the house.

[rocket]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I know why I've had the reaction I've had and have explained it in detail in several threads, including this one. She's as awful a character, and as much of a bully as Conor two years ago (probably worse) but that's only a start. There's no plucky band of "soldiers" to battle against her, she's simply hammering the entire show into the ground. Already poor viewing figures are plummeting; she's a huge part of the reason.

All of this is bad enough, BUT THEN -

She's not even a "genuine" Big Brother housemate, someone who wanted to go in and so went for it. Even Conor was that. No... she sold her body as a prostitute and then pimped herself out to anyone who would listen for interviews in a deliberate attempt to gain notoriety ("didn't want it" my arse! PLEASE!!), hired herself a z-list agent, and then was head-hunted by Big Brother production.

It's a joke. It makes the entire show a joke. She's the embodiment of the reason that a show that used to be watched by millions and was really a television phenomenon, is now seen as dirty, tacky trash telly that goes hand in hand with dirty, tacky trash press.

She is the end of the show, with a butchered face and a big gob.

Maybe it is unfair to "shoot the messenger", so to speak. When it comes down to it, it's the fault of the people who make the show (and their lords and masters in charge of the channel and advertising revenue) that it's become this. They shouldn't have contacted her... they shouldn't have brought her in. They should have let genuine housemates audition and found genuine characters from that. But they didn't. They hired a hooker. And that makes me angry.

It would make me angry if she was a nice person... and then at least I'd be able to direct it fully at those people pulling the strings. But whatever way you try to paint her, no matter how any people seem determined to make out that she's a good (or even "legendary") housemate, there's no getting away from it. She is an AWFUL person.

100% agree with you...

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, YOU see it as positivity...
' I dislike her and I think you have her wrong so I'm stating a counter-point to refute that opinion, in hopes that others might not be swayed by your positivity'

Can you just stop with the analogies please... I like the diverse personalities on BB and I've watched from the first series, have you ever asked yourself why you have such an extreme reaction to helen?
Maybe your projecting something onto her that you really need to express.

I think we have all met people like Helen and there is nothing to like about her really , like I have said before what annoys me Kizzy is the way her behaviour is being justified.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

promoting a housemate who is the very embodiment of everything that has gone wrong with

What about that bloke in the very first series who went as far as to lie about having a wife who was killed in a car crash to win him the show? Big Brother's never been full of respectable people.