[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Hamas knows how to win over "the hearts and minds" dude. don't you SEE that's part of their tactics? when you as Israel know they are gathering to plan rocket attacks at a UN building, what do you do? Isreal tries to send out warnings, they even specifically tell people where they are going to strike many times, Hamas is using places like hospitals, schools, mosques, UN buildings, journalists, as human shields, it's well known by now. how do you not know it? Do you just say, okay, we know there are 3 or 4 important leaders gathering at this place, but there are civilians, so we'll just let them carry on with their business?? What would YOU do if it was your job to protect and defend the Israeli people?

(and don't give me any bull**** about how Jews shouldn't be there to begin with, it's too late for that argument.)

What in your view would you like to see happen in this conflict ? Would you prefer Israel increased its attacks until all the Hamas terrorists were killed.

That would leave the population of Gaza around 0

So that would equate to around 1.8 M dead people but looking on the brightside no more rockets.

Job done....??




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[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

What in your view would you like to see happen in this conflict ? Would you prefer Israel increased its attacks until all the Hamas terrorists were killed.

That would leave the population of Gaza around 0

So that would equate to around 1.8 M dead people but looking on the brightside no more rockets.

Job done....??




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So you suggest that any country in the world would sit by and do nothing while it's neighbour fired rockets at it every day?It's the governments main job to defend its people.If france started firing rockets over the Channel would you expect Cameron to just do absolutely nothing?He would be overthrown very quickly.Hamas won't stop firing these rockets and they love it when Palestinian civilians are killed.They select the locations they do to create as many deaths as possible.Nothing can change while Hamas have any influence at all in that country.Britain or any other country would do the same as Israel are doing.They would destroy any sites where weapons are being stored and fired from to disable the agressive countries military capabilities.Hamas need to be wiped out before any deals can happen

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

So you suggest that any country in the world would sit by and do nothing while it's neighbour fired rockets at it every day?It's the governments main job to defend its people.If france started firing rockets over the Channel would you expect Cameron to just do absolutely nothing?He would be overthrown very quickly.Hamas won't stop firing these rockets and they love it when Palestinian civilians are killed.They select the locations they do to create as many deaths as possible.Nothing can change while Hamas have any influence at all in that country.Britain or any other country would do the same as Israel are doing.They would destroy any sites where weapons are being stored and fired from to disable the agressive countries military capabilities.Hamas need to be wiped out before any deals can happen

A more accurate analogy would be a paramilitary undercover group within the UK/British isles itself which also uses rockets and guerilla style warfare, hides amongst the general public and does at times target civilians.. And we did have that with the IRA. But our government didn't indiscriminately bomb large parts of Northern Ireland or carry out such brutal action on the ground.

A stat I read somewhere else:

28 civilian Israeli deaths from Hamas rockets since 2001.

34 civilian British deaths in Northern Ireland conflict since 2001.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A more accurate analogy would be a paramilitary undercover group within the UK/British isles itself which also uses rockets and guerilla style warfare, hides amongst the general public and does at times target civilians.. And we did have that with the IRA. But our government didn't indiscriminately bomb large parts of Northern Ireland or carry out such brutal action on the ground.

A stat I read somewhere else:

28 civilian Israeli deaths from Hamas rockets since 2001.

34 civilian British deaths in Northern Ireland conflict since 2001.

Is that all, how can they justify such a heavy handed approach?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A more accurate analogy would be a paramilitary undercover group within the UK/British isles itself which also uses rockets and guerilla style warfare, hides amongst the general public and does at times target civilians.. And we did have that with the IRA. But our government didn't indiscriminately bomb large parts of Northern Ireland or carry out such brutal action on the ground.

A stat I read somewhere else:

28 civilian Israeli deaths from Hamas rockets since 2001.

34 civilian British deaths in Northern Ireland conflict since 2001.

Northern Ireland hasn't been firing rockets into the mainland all that time. It's not the same thing at all. Hamas fire rockets at Israel every day, indiscriminately, at residential sites, not military ones. There are always air raid sirens going off. It's only the fact that Israel's defence system is good that the Israeli death toll isn't much, much higher. So many people are armed in Israel, even primary school teachers to protect children against terrorist attack. That doesn't happen on the British mainland, so the analogy isn't a good one. I'm not saying Israel's reaction isn't extreme... it is, the loss of life in Gaza is appalling, no one could argue against that. But people seem to be under the impression that Hamas wouldn't bomb an Israeli school if they could get to it. If Palestine has the same kind of arms and equipment Israel has, the whole place would be a smoking crater.

Something's got to give... I can only hope they can come to some kind of peace agreement the way they have in Northern Ireland.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

Northern Ireland hasn't been firing rockets into the mainland all that time. It's not the same thing at all. Hamas fire rockets at Israel every day, indiscriminately, at residential sites, not military ones. There are always air raid sirens going off. It's only the fact that Israel's defence system is good that the Israeli death toll isn't much, much higher. So many people are armed in Israel, even primary school teachers to protect children against terrorist attack. That doesn't happen on the British mainland, so the analogy isn't a good one. I'm not saying Israel's reaction isn't extreme... it is, the loss of life in Gaza is appalling, no one could argue against that. But people seem to be under the impression that Hamas wouldn't bomb an Israeli school if they could get to it. If Palestine has the same kind of arms and equipment Israel has, the whole place would be a smoking crater.

Something's got to give... I can only hope they can come to some kind of peace agreement the way they have in Northern Ireland.

True but those differences are also why the France analogy would be way off, because that would be two global powers of near equal might and capabilities going to war whereas this conflict is very much imbalanced in almost every way possible. I'm not saying they are right to think this but both Hamas and the IRA would see themselves as the persecuted David taking on the oppressive Goliath of Israel/the UK.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Northern Ireland hasn't been firing rockets into the mainland all that time. It's not the same thing at all. Hamas fire rockets at Israel every day, indiscriminately, at residential sites, not military ones. There are always air raid sirens going off. It's only the fact that Israel's defence system is good that the Israeli death toll isn't much, much higher. So many people are armed in Israel, even primary school teachers to protect children against terrorist attack. That doesn't happen on the British mainland, so the analogy isn't a good one. I'm not saying Israel's reaction isn't extreme... it is, the loss of life in Gaza is appalling, no one could argue against that. But people seem to be under the impression that Hamas wouldn't bomb an Israeli school if they could get to it. If Palestine has the same kind of arms and equipment Israel has, the whole place would be a smoking crater.

Something's got to give... I can only hope they can come to some kind of peace agreement the way they have in Northern Ireland.

the palestinians have been treated infinitely worse than the northern irish, at least they had a country