[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Did you actually expect her to get in a screaming match with Helen? If you bring yourself down to Helen's level, you lose. Instead Ashleigh launched a calculated attack against her partner in crime and didn't stoop down to Helen's level when she started screaming in her face, so she deserves credit for that.

No i never said or expected her to have a screaming match with Helen, i was just responding to the fact that many many people say Ashleigh 'stood up to Helen' when she didn't. She never screamed back at her but neither did she talk to Helen calmly or directly - just bitched about Helen for weeks with Danielle.

But you are right - she did launch a calculated attack against Helen and she did it by the back door - but that's not 'standing up to Helen' which is what many people on forums, BOTS etc keep saying Ashleigh did.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Robodog

No i never said or expected her to have a screaming match with Helen, i was just responding to the fact that many many people say Ashleigh 'stood up to Helen' when she didn't. She never screamed back at her but neither did she talk to Helen calmly or directly - just bitched about Helen for weeks with Danielle.

But you are right - she did launch a calculated attack against Helen and she did it by the back door - but that's not 'standing up to Helen' which is what many people on forums, BOTS etc keep saying Ashleigh did.

Yeah but the only thing is that trying to talk to Helen calmly and directly assumes many things (that many other HMs have problems with her behavior, that she's rational, that she's able to take constructive criticism and change her behavior accordingly, etc.) which are all untrue. There's really no way to stand up to Helen without compromising your social standing in the house. Her pass to the give made her the center of power and the only girls she's interested in are ones who are willing to be her beta or lick her ass (Jale and Kimberly winded up succumbing to this.)