[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If Ashleighs a Triumph,Helen is a Harley Davidson

No matter where she finishes up, I still say,in my opinion, love or hate her, this series has been Helen's series, it would have been near tortureand boring to watch this series had she not been in it.

She has never been in my top 4,I didn't care for her in the first week or so, I hated the free pass.
However while Mark is the one I have laughed at the most,for me Helen, bad and good has been compulsive viewing.

As for Ashleigh,most of the time I would have been to sleep except for a small period of about 2 and half weeks as to her.
Some triumph that.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No matter where she finishes up, I still say,in my opinion, love or hate her, this series has been Helen's series, it would have been near tortureand boring to watch this series had she not been in it.

She has never been in my top 4,I didn't care for her in the first week or so, I hated the free pass.
However while Mark is the one I have laughed at the most,for me Helen, bad and good has been compulsive viewing.

As for Ashleigh,most of the time I would have been to sleep except for a small period of about 2 and half weeks as to her.
Some triumph that.

A man after my own heart Joey,although,Helen is definitely in my top 4 now ,although,I disliked her a lot at first,a housemate must have something to be able to do that.

[Yaki da]

Of course Helen's been able to let herself go... She's been protected from any eviction. Others had to be a little cleverer than that

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Of course Helen's been able to let herself go... She's been protected from any eviction. Others had to be a little cleverer than that

I can't say I have seen much in the way as to being clever from the others and certainly not from Ashleigh.
I also think as to Helen she was able to let fly at the start,however because of the free pass and BB warning,she is the one who has for the majority of time in the house had to actually reign herself in, far from being able to let herself go at all.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can't say I have seen much in the aya s to being clever from the others and certainly not from Ashleigh.

She's kept issues she's had about others to herself to help form new alliances. And all of the other HMs recognize she's a clever girl. In particular Chris and Matthew, possibly the two most intelligent HMs.

I also think as to Helen she was able to let fly at the start,however because of the free pass and BB warning,she is the one who has for the majority of time in the house had to actually reign herself in, far from being able to let herself go at all.

Yes, but that's another argument against her. She's been guided into being a better person by punishments and had all the time in the world to change perception of her. A lot of people seem to forget the amount of warnings she's had culminating in a final warning.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

She's kept issues she's had about others to herself to help form new alliances. And all of the other HMs recognize she's a clever girl. In particular Chris and Matthew, possibly the two most intelligent HMs.



Yes, but that's another argument against her. She's been guided into being a better person by punishments and had all the time in the world to change perception of her. A lot of people seem to forget the amount of warnings she's had culminating in a final warning.

Sorry but to me that is to her credit, someone really nasty who didn't care would have gone on regardless, the fact she has listened to 'authority of a sort' and been able to amend her behaviour is a good thing.

It demonstrates too that she can show respect and also look, we have only seen her have a talking to and then a final warning.When you and others can show me where there is more warnings,that are 'confirmed' and have been shown then that argument may have better substantiation.

Guided or not, her behaviour did change once it was pointed out as being unacceptable, I have lost count of the weeks ago that was now,it still shows she could do it and did do it and I say again that is to her credit.

Further condemnation of her would have been justified had she not done so and I would have been one of the first to do so too, as I did at the start of the series.