[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Nope, it came long before. Ashleigh had made it perfectly clear to Helen she didn't like her and Helen often commented on it. And Ash when asked who the person he detested the most in the house was, said Ashleigh. All of this was before any conversations were played back. She had made it perfectly clear to both of them that she couldn't stand them.

I'll take your word for that then although it doesn't register with me as that early but you seem sure of that as a 100% fact

It still doesn't excuse the things she has said to others as to Helen behind her back, rather than to her face.
As for Ash, I agree he was unpleasnt as to Ashleigh at the start,something she has clearly held against him until all her so called friends have gone.
With him not doing or saying anything unpleasant for ages now as to her.

The point is Helen only learned the real nastiness of what Ashleigh thought as to her from the vt playbacks.
Ashleigh never said a thing to Helen's face whatsoever, now she is all over Helen.
What does that say about her,I am just disappointed Helen has not seen through that too.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It still doesn't excuse the things she has said to others as to Helen behind her back, rather than to her face.

Again, this Essex gangster morality of "If you've got something to say, say to it my face" is impossible to live up to in the real world, let alone a house where you're being judged for your every action, liable to be nominated (which Helen is not) and evicted, and attacked for being aggressive for doing so. It's a phoney argument to use. And if most people did try to live up to it in the real world civilization would soon collapse. People have to make the best of s situation. That will involve going off with people sometimes and having a moan and a bitch.

As for Ash, I agree he was unpleasnt as to Ashleigh at the start,something she has clearly held against him until all her so called friends have gone.
With him not doing or saying anything unpleasant for ages now as to her.

Nor has she been unpleasant to him.

The point is Helen only learned the real nastiness of what Ashleigh thought as to her from the vt playbacks. Ashleigh never said a thing to Helen's face whatsoever, now she is all over Helen.
What does that say about her,I am just disappointed Helen has not seen through that too.

It doesn't say much at all actually. It is Helen who seems to have courted Ashleigh's friendship as much as anything else. And what is it Helen is supposed to have seen through? Ashleigh didn't like her, as most of us the viewers did not like her, for good reason, but has instead tried to get along with her and done so. What is the big deal here? That she said Helen was disgusting a few times? Well, frankly, Helen's behaviour was disgusting. Hence the reason she's received 15 odd warnings and been put on a final one.