[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who said she is?

Pointing out Ashleigh is not the angel some on this forum would like does not mean anyone's saying Helen is blameless. Funny how everything always comes back to "But ____ is worse" "But what about _____".

ashleigh is more of an angel then helen

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LukeB

like helens all saint

Absolutely not and I have never said she was,there are many things I dislike as to Helen.
I know she has a load of faults and things that need correcting, however for me being 2 faced is not one of those things.

I have come across the massive and distressing problems when I was at Uni that 2 faced people can cause for others,that is why I dislike intensely 2 faced people and always will.
For me that is why I parted company as to Ashleigh,once I saw her do that repeatedly in the house.

[jet]

Originally Posted by LukeB

ashleigh is more of an angel then helen

I don't know about being an angel, but she is not 2 faced whereas Helen is as voted for by people who understand the definition.

[Yaki da]

"Two faced" is such a vacuous complaint anyway. We all wear different faces in different situations when we're with different people. We all try to get along with those we don't like to make things easier for ourselves and others, and we all say "Fine thanks" when asked if we're okay even when we want to tell the person asking to "piss off"

[jet]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

"Two faced" is such a vacuous complaint anyway. We all wear different faces in different situations when we're with different people. We all try to get along with those we don't like to make things easier for ourselves and others, and we all say "Fine thanks" when asked if we're okay even when we want to tell the person asking to "piss off"

I agree. Totally vacuous. But apparently for some it's the worst thing the world (worse than bullying!) unless someone they like is doing it, and they don't even know what it means anyway.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't know about being an angel, but she is not 2 faced whereas Helen is as voted for by people who understand the definition.

she talked about steven and denied it once caught

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Another poster asked you to back up your claims about Ashleigh's 'notorious mother' and you haven't yet as far as I can see.

According to yourself, you need to prove your claims.

Yeah that was me.

Don't even bother the proof will never come.

I cant understand why someone simply wont post a link to her mothers Twitter account especially if it backs up their argument.

[joeysteele]

I do get annoyed when called a hypocrite.
In the first weeks of this series Ashleigh was my 3rd placed housemate and Helen was my 15th out of 16.


Over the weeks watching them both, while not that impressed with eithers behaviour overall,I have warmed to Helen and cooled to Ashleigh.

Helen is now my 5th out of the 8 left and Ashleigh is my 7th.

Ashleigh is down there now with me for being 2 faced, because she has interracted with Helen as a housemate from the early days but only said really nasty and unpleasant things as to her, to others, 'behind her back'.

Until she says to Helen's face,(as Helen has mostly done with her), all the things she has said to others about her behind her back then she is 2 faced,very much so and a coward to boot too from where I am standing.

[jet]

Originally Posted by LukeB

she talked about steven and denied it once caught

Yes, not only is she two faced, she's a liar and a coward as well.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I do get annoyed when called a hypocrite.
In the first weeks of this series Ashleigh was my 3rd placed housemate and Helen was my 15th out of 16.


Over the weeks watching them both, while not that impressed with eithers behaviour overall,I have warmed to Helen and cooled to Ashleigh.

Helen is now my 5th out of the 8 left and Ashleigh is my 7th.

Ashleigh is down there now with me for being 2 faced, because she has interracted with Helen as a housemate from the early days but only said really nasty and unpleasant things as to her, to others, 'behind her back'.

Until she says to Helen's face,(as Helen has mostly done with her), all the things she has said to others about her behind her back then she is 2 faced,very much so and a coward to boot too from where I am standing.

That is not what 2 faced means. 2 faced is where you act nice to their face and then the next minute you are bitching about them behind their back. 1 face = nice, 1 face= bitching. TWO FACED.
Danielle is an example of a 2 faced housemate, she would act nice to people she had just been bitching about.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Ashleigh is down there now with me for being 2 faced, because she has interracted with Helen as a housemate from the early days but only said really nasty and unpleasant things as to her, to others, 'behind her back'.

Why was Helen so perfectly aware of Ashleigh's dislike for her then? You do recall Kimberly telling Helen not to raise to Ashleigh's bait because she would only end up looking bad?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Yeah that was me.

Don't even bother the proof will never come.

I cant understand why someone simply wont post a link to her mothers Twitter account especially if it backs up their argument.

Oh I can

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Why was Helen so perfectly aware of Ashleigh's dislike for her then? You do recall Kimberly telling Helen not to raise to Ashleigh's bait because she would only end up looking bad?

Good point.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Achilles

That is not what 2 faced means. 2 faced is where you act nice to their face and then the next minute you are bitching about them behind their back. 1 face = nice, 1 face= bitching. TWO FACED.
Danielle is an example of a 2 faced housemate, she would act nice to people she had just been bitching about.

No. it doesn't. it means that if someone gives the impression they haven't a problem with you as was the case with Helen and Ashleigh,then if it is the case that if you have a problem with someone and spout off nastiness about them to others while they are left ignorant of it, that is being 2 faced.
When you don't tell them to their faces what you are willing to say about them behind their back.

It is a cop out to say I never liked someone while never telling them so.
Helen first learned what Ashleigh was saying about her in the vt playbacks,sorry, dress it up all you like but she was being 2 faced because she was overall indifferent to Helen on the surface but bringing her down behind her back.

People like that who spout out lies and nastiness to others about someone behind their back, can often cause loads of problems for others.
That is 2 faced,one face to the person in person and a totally different take when talking to that other person to others behind their back.

Ashleighs 2 faces were,miss sweetness and light,wouldn't say boo to a goose,then to certain others spouting out really nasty and often uncalled for comments when they couldn't hear them
Some of it can be harmless,I agree but I prefer people who tell others to their face what they think of them and not go to others behind their backs.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Why was Helen so perfectly aware of Ashleigh's dislike for her then? You do recall Kimberly telling Helen not to raise to Ashleigh's bait because she would only end up looking bad?

I think I am right but Kimberley only advised that after they had seen the vts of Ashleigh being 2 faced about Helen and others, Ashleigh had plenty to say to Steven about Kimberley,not to her, too after those vts were revealed.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think I am right but Kimberley only advised that after they had seen the vts of Ashleigh being 2 faced about Helen and others, Ashleigh had plenty to say to Steven about Kimberley,not to her, too after those vts were revealed.

Nope, it came long before. Ashleigh had made it perfectly clear to Helen she didn't like her and Helen often commented on it. And Ash when asked who the person he detested the most in the house was, said Ashleigh. All of this was before any conversations were played back. She had made it perfectly clear to both of them that she couldn't stand them.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Nope, it came long before. Ashleigh had made it perfectly clear to Helen she didn't like her and Helen often commented on it. And Ash when asked who the person he detested the most in the house was, said Ashleigh. All of this was before any conversations were played back. She had made it perfectly clear to both of them that she couldn't stand them.

I'll take your word for that then although it doesn't register with me as that early but you seem sure of that as a 100% fact

It still doesn't excuse the things she has said to others as to Helen behind her back, rather than to her face.
As for Ash, I agree he was unpleasnt as to Ashleigh at the start,something she has clearly held against him until all her so called friends have gone.
With him not doing or saying anything unpleasant for ages now as to her.

The point is Helen only learned the real nastiness of what Ashleigh thought as to her from the vt playbacks.
Ashleigh never said a thing to Helen's face whatsoever, now she is all over Helen.
What does that say about her,I am just disappointed Helen has not seen through that too.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

ashleigh is more of an angel then helen

She's not any sort of angel....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't know about being an angel, but she is not 2 faced whereas Helen is as voted for by people who understand the definition.

The same people who stand outside on eviction nights in their tracksuits carrying cider?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She's not any sort of angel....

No!...She's a very naughty girl!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lex

No!...She's a very naughty girl!

With Chris's cock.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

With Chris's cock.

Not exactly what I had in mind old bean!....I was hamfistedly trying to invoke the spirit of Monty Python into your "She's not an angel" quip....you know..."he's not the messiah,...he's a very naughty boy"!....So kindly drop the smut!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lex

Not exactly what I had in mind old bean!....I was hamfistedly trying to invoke the spirit of Monty Python into your "She's not an angel" quip....you know..."he's not the messiah,...he's a very naughty boy"!....So kindly drop the smut!

Like Ashleigh drops her knickers.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Ashleighs 2 faces were,miss sweetness and light,wouldn't say boo to a goose,then to certain others spouting out really nasty and often uncalled for comments when they couldn't hear them

No,Ashleigh was never "miss sweetness and light" to Helen before they made up after all the VT stuff,You are right in that,that would've been two faced.Ashleigh and Helen never spoke to each other and both slagged each other off to other people.That is NOT two faced.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It still doesn't excuse the things she has said to others as to Helen behind her back, rather than to her face.

Again, this Essex gangster morality of "If you've got something to say, say to it my face" is impossible to live up to in the real world, let alone a house where you're being judged for your every action, liable to be nominated (which Helen is not) and evicted, and attacked for being aggressive for doing so. It's a phoney argument to use. And if most people did try to live up to it in the real world civilization would soon collapse. People have to make the best of s situation. That will involve going off with people sometimes and having a moan and a bitch.

As for Ash, I agree he was unpleasnt as to Ashleigh at the start,something she has clearly held against him until all her so called friends have gone.
With him not doing or saying anything unpleasant for ages now as to her.

Nor has she been unpleasant to him.

The point is Helen only learned the real nastiness of what Ashleigh thought as to her from the vt playbacks. Ashleigh never said a thing to Helen's face whatsoever, now she is all over Helen.
What does that say about her,I am just disappointed Helen has not seen through that too.

It doesn't say much at all actually. It is Helen who seems to have courted Ashleigh's friendship as much as anything else. And what is it Helen is supposed to have seen through? Ashleigh didn't like her, as most of us the viewers did not like her, for good reason, but has instead tried to get along with her and done so. What is the big deal here? That she said Helen was disgusting a few times? Well, frankly, Helen's behaviour was disgusting. Hence the reason she's received 15 odd warnings and been put on a final one.