[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by adamski94

It is if viewers complained about the warnings

We don't know about warnings that haven't aired. What would you complain about?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, you are still missing the point.

I've not said Helen didn't deserve a warning. I'm looking for equal application of rules, which is nigh on impossible with BB these days. So my last sentence wasn't a different point, it was the point.

Threatening behaviour and language is threatening behaviour and language no matter what. Ashleigh should have had a warning regardless of whatever Helen has done.

You are asking for consistency of the rules.

Helen was allowed to rant, name call and argue unchecked for the first few weeks.

Consistency would demand that others would be allowed a few weeks of ranting, name calling and arguing.

Inconsistency would be having a HM called up for a first offense, when compared to another HM being allowed to vent as they liked.

You can't have it both ways. If you want consistency, then allow for consistency. But if you want consistency and ask for inconsistency...

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Your assertion that Helen was "let off" time and time again is simply guesswork as you keep telling others.

As is your assumption that Ashleigh wasn't asked about it in the DR room.

Again consistency. If Helen was "let off", then Ashleigh should be "let off". If Helen was talked to privately, then Ashleigh should have been. If Helen's conversations were kept private, then Ashleigh's should be too.

If you don't know, but are demanding consistency, then its a slippy slope of ifs.

[Marsh.]

Hello brick wall. *bang* *bang* *bang*

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

We don't know about warnings that haven't aired. What would you complain about?

Yet you are complaining about a warning that may, or may not, of happened. All we really know is that it wasn't aired.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Yet you are complaining about a warning that may, or may not, of happened. All we really know is that it wasn't aired.

No I'm not. I'm expressing my opinion that Big Brother is not sticking to its own rules.

That has nothing to do with Ofcom which the other poster was referring to. They do not deal with how the BB game is played/ran, that's not down to them. Missed the point again.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tanussa

you ashleigh fans only hear what u want to hear, open your minds and be honest

..please don't do that and please don't question honesty of fans, Asgleigh's or otherwise..if there is any honesty to be questioned, it's that of BB producers because a warning should have rightly been given in both cases so if we're to assume that Ashleigh also got one but that it wasn't shown then that wasn't 'honest' of them either because she should have been seen by the viewers to be warned as well..as should all housemate warning as viewers are the ones who spend their honest money to vote and make the show....

[kefln]

Originally Posted by tanussa

you ashleigh fans only hear what u want to hear, open your minds and be honest

...its easy to make comments about others opinions when you don't share your own...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by tanussa

you ashleigh fans only hear what u want to hear, open your minds and be honest

Keep it about the HMs and not their fans, thanks.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No I'm not. I'm expressing my opinion that Big Brother is not sticking to its own rules.

That has nothing to do with Ofcom which the other poster was referring to. They do not deal with how the BB game is played/ran, that's not down to them. Missed the point again.

And I would say that you've missed the point.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Hello brick wall. *bang* *bang* *bang*

Hello deflection of points...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

And I would say that you've missed the point.

About ofcom? No I haven't sweetie.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Hello deflection of points...

When you respond to everything I say as though I'm saying Helen shouldn't have been warned or that everything she's had is fair there is nothing more to say. You miss the point.

[troy4783]

Ashleigh probably did get warned but it just wasn't shown but as Helen has been warned a few times now that's probably why they decided to show it .

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

We don't know about warnings that haven't aired. What would you complain about?

Im talking about when ofcom had complaints about helens behaviour they would have looked into it

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

When you respond to everything I say as though I'm saying Helen shouldn't have been warned or that everything she's had is fair there is nothing more to say. You miss the point.

If you keep demanding that BB are consistent and that all "threatening behaviour" is treated the same, but have nothing to go on but what has been shown on the HL show, then you've missed the point.

If you expect BB to edit the show so that we see every interaction and reaction, then you've missed the point.

If you want BB to follow their own rules, when for 15 years BB have openly stated that BB can change the rules at any time, then you've missed the point.

And if you are surprised that a person keeps referring to Helen getting warned, or not getting warned, in a thread about Helen getting warned, then you've missed a very large point.

The only way to discuss the rights and wrongs about Helen getting warned, and question whether Ashleigh was or not, is to discuss Helen, Ashleigh, BB and how they act/edit/control the situation.

Everything about fans reactions in BB is about opinions. We all have them. We come to sites like this to talk about them, and that is the point.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Im talking about when ofcom had complaints about helens behaviour they would have looked into it

From what aired. Her actual behaviour in there off camera is of no interest surely?

Just like the punishment C4 got over the race row was over what was aired and how it was aired.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

If you keep demanding that BB are consistent and that all "threatening behaviour" is treated the same, but have nothing to go on but what has been shown on the HL show, then you've missed the point.

If you expect BB to edit the show so that we see every interaction and reaction, then you've missed the point.

If you want BB to follow their own rules, when for 15 years BB have openly stated that BB can change the rules at any time, then you've missed the point.

And if you are surprised that a person keeps referring to Helen getting warned, or not getting warned, in a thread about Helen getting warned, then you've missed a very large point.

The only way to discuss the rights and wrongs about Helen getting warned, and question whether Ashleigh was or not, is to discuss Helen, Ashleigh, BB and how they act/edit/control the situation.

Everything about fans reactions in BB is about opinions. We all have them. We come to sites like this to talk about them, and that is the point.

Oh dear. That's a nice story.

Come back when you're actually on topic and not putting daft words in my mouth.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

From what aired. Her actual behaviour in there off camera is of no interest surely?

Just like the punishment C4 got over the race row was over what was aired and how it was aired.

If its repeat offending (which it is) they have every right to look at what is being done to sort it out

[bots]

Looking at the details that we do know.

Helen received a number of warnings about her behaviour in the past. IIRC the formal warning was issued when she threatened Mathew in a physical way, right in his face. This was not as a result of offense built up (repeated offenses) but due to the extreme nature of the single attack on Mathew.

Helen has not repeated anything like that again in the house, and so, I don't believe she has received another formal warning (bit confusing given all the poster noise )

So, given the nature of both Helen's and Ashleigh's behaviour, and it being almost identical, we would reasonably expect BB to issue Ashleigh and Helen with informal warnings where it would appear it was only applied to Helen.

That is what is angering many here as it doesn't appear to be at all consistent

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by adamski94

If its repeat offending (which it is) they have every right to look at what is being done to sort it out

No they don't. They are the broadcast regulator, it's not down to them to ensure anything about housemates being warned/behaviour. They enforce rules about what is broadcast and what isn't.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kefln

ROTFLMAO

Helen gets another warning for being a nasty individual, people spend most of their time talking about Ashleigh.

Says alot if you can't defend someone on their own merits. The blame has to shoveled off to BB, the producers, Ashleigh, everyone but Helen herself...

[Babschap]

Originally Posted by ruiphillips

She has got way to many warnings to grant her stay. What a vile peace of trash with obvious anger management issues.

Good comment! I agree

[LukeB]

we only see 1 hour of big brother! we do not know if ashleigh did or didnt get a warning, ashleigh didnt say it in an agressive tone she said it in a moody tone. big brother knows ashleigh never ment it because she hasn't come across agressive as helen, people hate helen more then ashleigh to

[Marsh.]

But they knew Helen meant it because she kicks people's head in? Ok.

[Vicky.]

The double standards argument is totally right tbh...it happens all the time though.

If a guy says it to another guy, it all depends on how big they are. If a girl says something to a guy its fine, whereas there would be hell on the other way round...etc etc

I mean, imagine if Pav had gone in and told (for example) Helen that he wanted to ride her and stuff immediately, then gone on and on about it..despite it quite obviously making Helen uncomfortable. He would be labelled a sex pest and likely ejected after about an hour. Whereas it was funny and fine with it being Biannca...

BB is full of double standards, as is life sadly.