[jet]

I've seen this said and I say BS.
Helen hasn't controlled anything. She has no control, for if she had surely she would have made sure that Ashleigh wasn't a fave for the win; and that Christopher and Chris would have been evicted.
Helen has been nothing but an idiot and a fool who has handed those she doesn't like a pass to the final on a plate, and she was the one with the free pass. How ironic is that?
Without her in there nobody can say it would have been a bad series, because we can't possibly know that. IMO, it would have been better because no series should revolve around one person, and especially not one as utterly horrible as Helen. BB capitalized on her ugly nature by making sure her nastiness and vileness was given a top spot at the expense of the other HM's interacting and having fun. And she was good value for it and it serves her right for being such a vile cow.
The 'good guys' controlled Helen, not the other way around - and THAT is what made the show. Without Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, Helen would have had a coven sitting around her afraid to say boo and she would never have had a reason to go haywire because she would have been sitting there all smug and self satisfied and acting the Queen Bee. She'd be sitting there with the brain - dead lads giggling and sneering and talking sex and God knows what other s*****. Riveting stuff, if that's what some want.
Added to that she has been the reason her friends Tamara and Winston were evicted before their time. She's the kiss of death, a bloody jinx.
She's been the biggest idiot ever to walk through the BB doors. Hasn't she done well?

[Marsh.]

Without Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, Helen would have had a coven sitting around her afraid to say boo

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If that's all you can manage, then...pffft.

[Creggle]

[billy123]

[jet]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Your counter - argument is impressive.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by jet

Your counter - argument is impressive.

They're speechless

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Dollface

They're speechless

No get it right we are just replying in the style of jet.

Originally Posted by jet

Originally Posted by jet

Originally Posted by jet

Originally Posted by jet

Originally Posted by jet

Originally Posted by jet

#BURN

[Ammi]

...I think in a way she has 'controlled' as in 'subdued' and that for her 'friends' has been a double edged thing...it's allowed people to 'hide' and coast along under the radar more but that's not ultimately necessarily a good thing as maybe it's given us an inaccurate opinion of their personalities...Ash for me is the biggest example of that...if others hadn't been there..her 'targets' then I don't think she would have sat around all smug because I just think that it's in her negative character to create those 'targets' anyway and it would have always been just someone else..she's just such a negative person/strips the positive out of anything and everyone because she projects so much negativity around her/how she feels about herself/her life etc is what she projects on others because she almost 'begrudges' anything positive in them and therefore sees it as false....she's only ever mostly really been seen as laughing or having a good time when it's been at the expense of someone else...anyway, she hasn't 'made' the series, no one person has..no one person ever does, it's a game of many characters each in a way equally important....

[Achilles]

I would have enjoyed 2 months of Big Brother more without a Helen on my screen.

[Northern Monkey]

She cast a dark cloud over the house this series.She should have been a 1 - 2 weeker imo.Good value for a week or two(half way point at most) but then out to let the series thrive and the real characters come out.She has been negative and tedious.

[JTM45]

She's been the absolute worst thing about this year's BB, and that's saying something with the competition she's had!

She's a lowlife now , always has been, always will be!

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by JTM45

She's been the absolute worst thing about this year's BB, and that's saying something with the competition she's had!

She's a lowlife now , always has been, always will be!

This 100%

[user104658]

Literally the only thing that could have been worse, is if there had been a different first power housemate and Pauline had been given the pass to the final. That would have been unwatchable.

As it stands do, yes, Helen has completely dominated the series - but that is a complete negative.

[bots]

The thing is, what this series has highlighted is that it really doesn't matter how extreme characters are, how much things are manipulated, it always gets back to an equilibrium at some point. We now have 2 in the good camp, 2 in the evil camp, and 2 floaters

[rionablue]

I couldn't stand Helen for the first few weeks then I asked myself why was she so vile and aggressive and foul mouthed then little by little in tiny moments on the highlights show I saw a softer side to her like when she was with Ash or when she cried when Steven left. I feel Helen has been hurt in the past and the wall she has built around her emotions has made her tough and hard.

I began to warm a little towards her and give her the benefit of the doubt. Before anyone jumps down my throat I do believe she has been bitter and argumentative and I guess in general not a very nice housemate but she is nearer the top of my list of who is left than the bottom and anyone can see from the list of my housemates at the start that is a big turnaround as she was firmly at the bottom for a long time. I am willing to give her a chance and hope that she sorts out her anger issues and perhaps have a lifelong friendship with Ash

By the way in response to your post OP I don't think she made the series but I am still glad she was a housemate. I was totally sick of the happy happy house the year the awful Katreya was in and the dreadful Rachel won

[Ammi]

..(just a little afterthought with the 'control'..)...Mark said last night that he felt Helen 'had his back' as in she looked out for him/was a 'good' friend etc...the thing about that is and the thing about Helen is she doesn't 'defend' her friends, she 'excuses' them regardless of every and any situation and their part played in it...and so she stops herself from 'looking and listening' all the time/she 'stunts' herself...I think maybe some people were happy to have that in the house/to have a Helen in the house 'fighting their corner' and so many things have been missed by them which is why they're now in complete confusion as to why the public are voting their 'clique' out/they really don't get it at all...the others..the 'outsiders' have looked more at every situation and judged those situations with eyes and ears and have defended when they felt it was right but not 'excused' when they felt someone, even a 'friend' wasn't in the right...and it is a control Jet..you're right...it's a very negative control because Helen doesn't see things objectively but only 'judges' things and people in terms of her personal likes and dislikes of them and those likes and dislikes come from whether they themselves 'excuse' her which people like Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris haven't....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I couldn't stand Helen for the first few weeks then I asked myself why was she so vile and aggressive and foul mouthed then little by little in tiny moments on the highlights show I saw a softer side to her like when she was with Ash or when she cried when Steven left. I feel Helen has been hurt in the past and the wall she has built around her emotions has made her tough and hard.
I began to warm a little towards her and give her the benefit of the doubt. Before anyone jumps down my throat I do believe she has been bitter and argumentative and I guess in general not a very nice housemate but she is nearer the top of my list of who is left than the bottom and anyone can see from the list of my housemates at the start that is a big turnaround as she was firmly at the bottom for a long time. I am willing to give her a chance and hope that she sorts out her anger issues and perhaps have a lifelong friendship with Ash

By the way in response to your post OP I don't think she made the series but I am still glad she was a housemate. I was totally sick of the happy happy house the year the awful Katreya was in and the dreadful Rachel won

..it's funny really Riona because I'm almost the complete opposite...I had all of those sympathies and empathies at the beginning and tried to 'look beyond' her behaviour as to why she reacts the way she does...but then 'understanding' it doesn't change it or the results of it or the effects on the people she dislikes and 'targets'...the people at the end of her wrath which is guised as 'honesty'...and all of the housemates and indeed all of us also have a past/experiences that make us what we are...and no such allowances would be made for any of us and no such allowances are made for any other housemate in the same way so it's a bit like bringing her past in as a negative and judging her on it..?...if it's to be left out of the house..(which is right..)..then it has to be completely left out with no allowances either..that was my thought process anyway....

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by JTM45

She's been the absolute worst thing about this year's BB, and that's saying something with the competition she's had!

She's a lowlife now , always has been, always will be!

I agree. I am not going to commend her on making this series because without others she is nothing.
OP is right...she has controlled it... Her bully boy tactics created a gang led by her. Her little lapdogs should be ashamed of themselves. It would have been nice to see other people shine rather than be under the control and influence of Helen. Had she not had that pass we would have had the opportunity to see that because people like Helen don't last long.
However...like two years ago...good overcame evil and this year it's happened again

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I couldn't stand Helen for the first few weeks then I asked myself why was she so vile and aggressive and foul mouthed then little by little in tiny moments on the highlights show I saw a softer side to her like when she was with Ash or when she cried when Steven left. I feel Helen has been hurt in the past and the wall she has built around her emotions has made her tough and hard.

I began to warm a little towards her and give her the benefit of the doubt. Before anyone jumps down my throat I do believe she has been bitter and argumentative and I guess in general not a very nice housemate but she is nearer the top of my list of who is left than the bottom and anyone can see from the list of my housemates at the start that is a big turnaround as she was firmly at the bottom for a long time. I am willing to give her a chance and hope that she sorts out her anger issues and perhaps have a lifelong friendship with Ash

By the way in response to your post OP I don't think she made the series but I am still glad she was a housemate. I was totally sick of the happy happy house the year the awful Katreya was in and the dreadful Rachel won

The same with me.
Ashleigh was in my top 5 of housemates and Helen my 15th of 16 in the early weeks.
Then I looked for better in Helen and saw quite a bit too so gave her the credit for that.
She is not all bad just as Ashleigh is not all good in my opinion.

I also believe she would be a loyal friend to those she comes to feel she can trust.
She has a lot of complex issues and things she needs to see as to herself but I have seen her be a good friend to those she has come to trust and feel closer to.

Those she doesn't trust and doesn't like are also left in no doubt that's what she thinks as to them and I prefer that too in people.

For me she has been a major part of this series all the way through.

[Tip]

I imagine what may have happened if Toya or Pauline or Mark perhaps had been given the free pass.

I'm pretty sure the series could have been "made" if Helen had left early on and someone else was there to drive most of us crazy (with irritation).

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..(just a little afterthought with the 'control'..)...Mark said last night that he felt Helen 'had his back' as in she looked out for him/was a 'good' friend etc...the thing about that is and the thing about Helen is she doesn't 'defend' her friends, she 'excuses' them regardless of every and any situation and their part played in it...and so she stops herself from 'looking and listening' all the time/she 'stunts' herself...I think maybe some people were happy to have that in the house/to have a Helen in the house 'fighting their corner' and so many things have been missed by them which is why they're now in complete confusion as to why the public are voting their 'clique' out/they really don't get it at all...the others..the 'outsiders' have looked more at every situation and judged those situations with eyes and ears and have defended when they felt it was right but not 'excused' when they felt someone, even a 'friend' wasn't in the right...and it is a control Jet..you're right...it's a very negative control because Helen doesn't see things objectively but only 'judges' things and people in terms of her personal likes and dislikes of them and those likes and dislikes come from whether they themselves 'excuse' her which people like Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris haven't....

Great post Ammi. Especially the part in bold.

[poppsywoppsy]

Helen has been tedious watching, her whole time was wasted looking for slights she could argue about. Whether she was controlled or out and out screeching, it was all about her perceptions of others failings when holding up her hands for hers resulted in others not responding as they should. "I said I was this or that" was her way of absolving her faults without her being made aware as she made others feel.

Her only discipline was warnings which she kept quiet about but even then sat there character assassinating everybody not in her coven.

If you call that entertaining, I don't. Her malevolent character just made others walk on eggshells around her. Ash didn't have an opinion different from her, Winston sat there giggling and Mark was her eyes and ears knowing what was happening in the other camp.

If there is a next time, I hope they all get a fair chance of being themselves without fearing the wrath of an anger riddled harpie screaming at them for every and any reason she imagines.

I can't wait to see the back of her because I don't find bullying entertaining.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The same with me.
Ashleigh was in my top 5 of housemates and Helen my 15th of 16 in the early weeks.
Then I looked for better in Helen and saw quite a bit too so gave her the credit for that.
She is not all bad just as Ashleigh is not all good in my opinion.

I also believe she would be a loyal friend to those she comes to feel she can trust.
She has a lot of complex issues and things she needs to see as to herself but I have seen her be a good friend to those she has come to trust and feel closer to.

Those she doesn't trust and doesn't like are also left in no doubt that's what she thinks as to them and I prefer that too in people.

For me she has been a major part of this series all the way through.

..I think for me Joey, it's that it's a 'blind trust' in that even the people she trusts aren't necessarily worthy of that trust ..it's the differentiating between 'defending' and 'excusing'...although it's an extreme analogy, it's that thing/dilemma etc of would we 'defend accused of something/a crime..'...or would we before we reached that place of defence, have to be sure they didn't actually commit that crime and then decide..?..I know that's extreme but it's still the basis of what Helen does...she stops 'seeing and hearing' and only focus on defence which then becomes excusing in a lot of situations in the house...one of the best examples I think of how she perceives things and then acts on them was when she heard the conversation between Ashleigh and Chris and only 'heard' the negative..there was negative, yes but there was also positive in a way of explaining how far they thought she had come...but I feel the same as Chris said last night on the night before in that he feels as though he's regressed right back to his first thoughts of her because it's all Helen's typical behaviour pattern which she has to somehow start her 'journey' to try and break..even when she reflects or is forced to reflect by warnings etc from BB..I think her tears a genuine..?..but I think they're genuine in being shocked even at her own behaviour/reactions unless they're presented as 'evidence' that she can't deny but the tears aren't genuine because she's reflected on what that person who she said those things to/about did or said and whether they deserved her venom or to try to understand their point of view or reasonings for doing anything even if she then didn't agree with those reasonings....she just doesn't see or hear things at all.....and that's what really bothers me about her and why I think she has a long way to go before even starting her 'journey'.....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

I've seen this said and I say BS.
Helen hasn't controlled anything. She has no control, for if she had surely she would have made sure that Ashleigh wasn't a fave for the win; and that Christopher and Chris would have been evicted.
Helen has been nothing but an idiot and a fool who has handed those she doesn't like a pass to the final on a plate, and she was the one with the free pass. How ironic is that?
Without her in there nobody can say it would have been a bad series, because we can't possibly know that. IMO, it would have been better because no series should revolve around one person, and especially not one as utterly horrible as Helen. BB capitalized on her ugly nature by making sure her nastiness and vileness was given a top spot at the expense of the other HM's interacting and having fun. And she was good value for it and it serves her right for being such a vile cow.
The 'good guys' controlled Helen, not the other way around - and THAT is what made the show. Without Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, Helen would have had a coven sitting around her afraid to say boo and she would never have had a reason to go haywire because she would have been sitting there all smug and self satisfied and acting the Queen Bee. She'd be sitting there with the brain - dead lads giggling and sneering and talking sex and God knows what other s*****. Riveting stuff, if that's what some want.
Added to that she has been the reason her friends Tamara and Winston were evicted before their time. She's the kiss of death, a bloody jinx.
She's been the biggest idiot ever to walk through the BB doors. Hasn't she done well?

Oh another Helen hate thread,so boring, no need to read we already know what it says,she's been great imo and that's all that matters,she's kept certain people in posts going anyway,imagine the forum without her