[Achilles]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

care to elaborate?

Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher are old school BB. I would rather have spent the last 2 months watching just those 3 in the house and none of the rest.

[toronto_matt]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher are old school BB. I would rather have spent the last 2 months watching just those 3 in the house and none of the rest.

old school BB is bitching about other people for the first 4 weeks of the show in a corner in the house with danielle?

old school BB is calling someone ugly? and insulting them based on physical appearance?

and 0 self reflection?

that doesnt sound like old school BB but our definitions may differ

as for chris i thought old school BB was regular people living in a house, not working ACTORS

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

old school BB is bitching about other people for the first 4 weeks of the show in a corner in the house with danielle?

old school BB is calling someone ugly? and insulting them based on physical appearance?

and 0 self reflection?

that doesnt sound like old school BB but our definitions may differ

as for chris i thought old school BB was regular people living in a house, not working ACTORS

We see 6% of what happens in the house per day. I don't base my opinion on the BB edit. Ashleigh was thrown in a house with a bully and that bully had a gang. She has only just left school where she was the victim of bullying. If you were Ashleigh how would YOU cope? I will never support a bully and never hate a girl who stands up against bullies.

[toronto_matt]

Originally Posted by Achilles

We see 6% of what happens in the house per day. I don't base my opinion on the BB edit. Ashleigh was thrown in a house with a bully and that bully had a gang. She has only just left school where she was the victim of bullying. If you were Ashleigh how would YOU cope? I will never support a bully and never hate a girl who stands up against bullies.

i would attack that persons intellect not their physical features..

and say what you want about helen, she has never once mentioned or criticized the way ashleigh "looks", only the way she "acts"

calling someones face or someone as a whole ugly as an "insult" is pretty much as low as you can go, its shallow and its just downright rude. its pretty much scrapping the bottle of the barrel..

but hey, shes lovely right! ashleigh to win!

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

say what you want about helen, she has never once mentioned or criticized the way ashleigh "looks", only the way she "acts"

That's just not true!
Helen's insulted Ashleigh's looks on more than one occasion. She's struggled to find things because, whether you like her or not, you can't deny that Ashleigh is a beautiful young lady and there's not a lot that can be criticized about the way she looks but Helen's still tried.

And calling someone 'ugly' is used to describe their personality and the way they behave as often as it is their physical appearance and there's no denying that Helen is ugly on the inside and filled with hatred and bitterness!

[jjj2]

This is the Old " I used to love Ashleigh but now i love Helen " tactic , be honest OP you were always a Helen fan . Ashleigh FTW

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

i would attack that persons intellect not their physical features..

say what you want about helen, she has never once mentioned or criticized the way ashleigh "looks", only the way she "acts"

calling someones face or someone as a whole ugly as an "insult" is pretty much as low as you can go, its shallow and its just downright rude. its pretty much scrapping the bottle of the barrel..

..I agree that an attack one physical appearance is the lowest...and I don't recall Helen doing so as such with Helen but (I think) that Helen has made some remarks about Ashleigh's 'face' in terms of the expressions etc she pulls but I may be wrong about that but if I recall the whole DR rant with Ashleigh, she said she was ugly when she went off on one type thing..?..I'm not saying that's right but its a more general thing said in anger rather than some of the specifics that have been said about other housemates and some by Helen herself as well as others...also I think the 'lowest' for me is specifics that would obviously be sensitive to someone like Ashleigh's acne which has been referred to so many times on here and elsewhere on social sites...its picking at a 'weakness/sensitivity' in with someone, no better than if it were a disability....

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I agree that an attack one physical appearance is the lowest...and I don't recall Helen doing so as such with Helen but (I think) that Helen has made some remarks about Ashleigh's 'face' in terms of the expressions etc she pulls but I may be wrong about that but if I recall the whole DR rant with Ashleigh, she said she was ugly when she went off on one type thing..?..I'm not saying that's right but its a more general thing said in anger rather than some of the specifics that have been said about other housemates and some by Helen herself as well as others...also I think the 'lowest' for me is specifics that would obviously be sensitive to someone like Ashleigh's acne which has been referred to so many times on here and elsewhere on social sites...its picking at a 'weakness/sensitivity' in with someone, no better than if it were a disability....

Hi to both, imo an insult is an insult no matter what is given much is said in the heat of the moment and many have been guilty of the same thing. What Ash, Helen and Pav are doing now to discredit Chris ad Ashleigh to the public, is beyond belief. They have never ever said before that they didnt like their relationship. Everyone stood up for Chris with Zoe being the main comforter.

Helen has a lot to answer for, in the papers it is said that she is going after another footballer, mind you we cannot always believe the papers, but this person is 40. How old is Helen, 27? This in itself proves that they are now using tactics to get the public on side. She is not honest at all. Also I do not remember Chris asking her to go abroad with him? He told her she was the most sexiest, a great compliment for her as she was downing herself at the time.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I agree that an attack one physical appearance is the lowest...and I don't recall Helen doing so as such with Helen but (I think) that Helen has made some remarks about Ashleigh's 'face' in terms of the expressions etc she pulls but I may be wrong about that but if I recall the whole DR rant with Ashleigh, she said she was ugly when she went off on one type thing..?..I'm not saying that's right but its a more general thing said in anger rather than some of the specifics that have been said about other housemates and some by Helen herself as well as others...also I think the 'lowest' for me is specifics that would obviously be sensitive to someone like Ashleigh's acne which has been referred to so many times on here and elsewhere on social sites...its picking at a 'weakness/sensitivity' in with someone, no better than if it were a disability....

She doesn't seem to have acne - she has clear perfect skin. Pretty low if people have taken the mick out of that.
I think she may have done modelling for freederm or something? I don't know

[Cold Sweat]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

i would attack that persons intellect not their physical features..

and say what you want about helen, she has never once mentioned or criticized the way ashleigh "looks", only the way she "acts"

calling someones face or someone as a whole ugly as an "insult" is pretty much as low as you can go, its shallow and its just downright rude. its pretty much scrapping the bottle of the barrel..

but hey, shes lovely right! ashleigh to win!

I think Ashleigh's opinion was that she doesn't see somebody that horrible as being attractive - was that not what she implied to Chris?

I "get" that opinion, for instance... I consider Danielle Lloyd to be a very ugly person.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cold Sweat

I think Ashleigh's opinion was that she doesn't see somebody that horrible as being attractive - was that not what she implied to Chris?

I "get" that opinion, for instance... I consider Danielle Lloyd to be a very ugly person.

I also think it's ashleighs nastiness that makes HER ugly too

[booboomartin]

Originally Posted by Achilles

We see 6% of what happens in the house per day. I don't base my opinion on the BB edit. Ashleigh was thrown in a house with a bully and that bully had a gang. She has only just left school where she was the victim of bullying. If you were Ashleigh how would YOU cope? I will never support a bully and never hate a girl who stands up against bullies.

if you do not support a bully, why are you supporting ashleigh. have you forgotton how she had a go at christopher. your princess prissy is a user (danielle and Chris), potty mouthed, has temper tantrums and is an all round two faced little cow (i am being very polite)

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

if you do not support a bully, why are you supporting ashleigh. have you forgotton how she had a go at christopher. your princess prissy is a user (danielle and Chris), potty mouthed, has temper tantrums and is an all round two faced little cow (i am being very polite)

True

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

if you do not support a bully, why are you supporting ashleigh. have you forgotton how she had a go at christopher. your princess prissy is a user (danielle and Chris), potty mouthed, has temper tantrums and is an all round two faced little cow (i am being very polite)

None of these characteristics of Ashleigh amount to a bully. Having a go at Christopher one time is not bullying. Helen's, Pauline's, and maybe even Toya and Tamara's treatment of Christopher and Jale at the beginning of the series was relentless and malicious and intended to make them feel isolated. That was bullying. Ashleigh shouted at Christopher once because she was in a pissy mood. Not saying it was right of Ashleigh to shout at Christopher for nothing, but that was not bullying.