[cfromhx02]

I've been so tired watching the continuous one sided backing for Ashleigh and the continuous one sided corrupt votes on the popularity polls where only a few knew & got to vote used as propaganda all the time for several weeks

to make Ashleigh seem like an angel while attacking one person Helen mainly with the lies over and over.

It was definite propaganda, which so many voters and so much of the BB audience fell for.

I hated what Helen said to Jale too.I promise I really did & if I was a friend of Helen's I would be having a word with her and telling her to control her behaviour otherwise I would ditch her as a friend.

So it genuinely isn't because I was a fan of Helen saying slug etc.

But it's just I've been disgusted by how bitter and full of hate Ashleigh is, unnaturally so, hence why she has trouble smiling can't get out of her pajamas for long time prob till lunch time most days.

& I've been disgusted at how she has definitely lied and put on tears to the camera so often.Ashleigh I think is a better actor than Chris, & find it ironic that Ashleigh & Chris have been together as they are the two actors in the house.

Ashleigh has definitely known when to cry IE as soon as it's announced she put Ash up she put on the tears to make out she cared, why ? to save her own as* of course, & BB for weeks avoided the so obvious many examples of nasty things Ashleigh was saying and doing behind even her friends backs and never discussed them while all the time showing clips of Ashleigh deliberately playing to the camera to influence the thinking of the general public and making them believe lies about Helen and anyone she wanted to have a go at behind their back.

BB of course kept doing the popularity poles where only a few knew about and used results as propaganda to convince the full audience watching that the Maj of the viewers had decided the findings of the polls IE that it was always Ashleigh who was nicest and Helen who was always worst.

The continuous untrue attack by Ashleigh and BB on Helen is what true bullying is.Believe me.I know what bullying is.I was bullied almost every day growing up.The difference is we don't all turn out to be bullies ourselves like Ashleigh.Many of us who have been bullied are determined to be the opposite and determined to care about others and not be bullies ourselves.

Helen's outbursts on Jale and Mathew weren't nice but they also weren't carried on.They were just isolated outbursts from a soft hearted emotional person who has gone out of her way several yimes to comfort others in the house when they have been upset.Her behaviour has not been continuous, cold hearted,pre meditated and usually untrue.It is only Ashleigh & BB that are the real bullies and responsible for being continuous,cold hearted,pre planned and often untrue usually pouring all that nastiness on one person Helen.

If you are a good person.There is more than one way to have entertainment.I'd far rather mine was up front and honest not cold,lying and back stabbing like Ashleigh and BB so to stop their nastiness and pre planned lies vote Helen & vote Ash in case Helen doesn't get enough as Ash is good looking & he may get enough votes if Helen can't.The main thing is to stop lying & cold continuous attack real bullying from BB & Ashleigh from winning and being rewarded for it by £100,000

[Raph]

Fantastic post. Ashleigh is a miserable brat and would make the worst winner of all time.

[Samm]

She hasn't bullied anybody

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Raph

Fantastic post. Ashleigh is a miserable brat and would make the worst winner of all time.

That title is still in the hands of last years winner

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Raph

Fantastic post. Ashleigh is a miserable brat and would make the worst winner of all time.

No that goes to sam the most pointless winner of all time. Even Cameron had more memorable things about him than Sam.

[Alf]

If what you say is true and Ashleigh is this great actor, then you can only congratulate her on playing a great game.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

I've been so tired watching the continuous one sided backing for Ashleigh and the continuous one sided corrupt votes on the popularity polls where only a few knew & got to vote used as propaganda all the time for several weeks

to make Ashleigh seem like an angel while attacking one person Helen mainly with the lies over and over.

It was definite propaganda, which so many voters and so much of the BB audience fell for.

I hated what Helen said to Jale too.I promise I really did & if I was a friend of Helen's I would be having a word with her and telling her to control her behaviour otherwise I would ditch her as a friend.

So it genuinely isn't because I was a fan of Helen saying slug etc.

But it's just I've been disgusted by how bitter and full of hate Ashleigh is, unnaturally so, hence why she has trouble smiling can't get out of her pajamas for long time prob till lunch time most days.

& I've been disgusted at how she has definitely lied and put on tears to the camera so often.Ashleigh I think is a better actor than Chris, & find it ironic that Ashleigh & Chris have been together as they are the two actors in the house.

Ashleigh has definitely known when to cry IE as soon as it's announced she put Ash up she put on the tears to make out she cared, why ? to save her own as* of course, & BB for weeks avoided the so obvious many examples of nasty things Ashleigh was saying and doing behind even her friends backs and never discussed them while all the time showing clips of Ashleigh deliberately playing to the camera to influence the thinking of the general public and making them believe lies about Helen and anyone she wanted to have a go at behind their back.

BB of course kept doing the popularity poles where only a few knew about and used results as propaganda to convince the full audience watching that the Maj of the viewers had decided the findings of the polls IE that it was always Ashleigh who was nicest and Helen who was always worst.

The continuous untrue attack by Ashleigh and BB on Helen is what true bullying is.Believe me.I know what bullying is.I was bullied almost every day growing up.The difference is we don't all turn out to be bullies ourselves like Ashleigh.Many of us who have been bullied are determined to be the opposite and determined to care about others and not be bullies ourselves.

Helen's outbursts on Jale and Mathew weren't nice but they also weren't carried on.They were just isolated outbursts from a soft hearted emotional person who has gone out of her way several yimes to comfort others in the house when they have been upset.Her behaviour has not been continuous, cold hearted,pre meditated and usually untrue.It is only Ashleigh & BB that are the real bullies and responsible for being continuous,cold hearted,pre planned and often untrue usually pouring all that nastiness on one person Helen.

If you are a good person.There is more than one way to have entertainment.I'd far rather mine was up front and honest not cold,lying and back stabbing like Ashleigh and BB so to stop their nastiness and pre planned lies vote Helen & vote Ash in case Helen doesn't get enough as Ash is good looking & he may get enough votes if Helen can't.The main thing is to stop lying & cold continuous attack real bullying from BB & Ashleigh from winning and being rewarded for it by £100,000

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

If what you say is true and Ashleigh is this great actor, then you can only congratulate her on playing a great game.

Give that girl a Golden BOT

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

I've been so tired watching the continuous one sided backing for Ashleigh and the continuous one sided corrupt votes on the popularity polls where only a few knew & got to vote used as propaganda all the time for several weeks

to make Ashleigh seem like an angel while attacking one person Helen mainly with the lies over and over.

It was definite propaganda, which so many voters and so much of the BB audience fell for.

I hated what Helen said to Jale too.I promise I really did & if I was a friend of Helen's I would be having a word with her and telling her to control her behaviour otherwise I would ditch her as a friend.

So it genuinely isn't because I was a fan of Helen saying slug etc.

But it's just I've been disgusted by how bitter and full of hate Ashleigh is, unnaturally so, hence why she has trouble smiling can't get out of her pajamas for long time prob till lunch time most days.

& I've been disgusted at how she has definitely lied and put on tears to the camera so often.Ashleigh I think is a better actor than Chris, & find it ironic that Ashleigh & Chris have been together as they are the two actors in the house.

Ashleigh has definitely known when to cry IE as soon as it's announced she put Ash up she put on the tears to make out she cared, why ? to save her own as* of course, & BB for weeks avoided the so obvious many examples of nasty things Ashleigh was saying and doing behind even her friends backs and never discussed them while all the time showing clips of Ashleigh deliberately playing to the camera to influence the thinking of the general public and making them believe lies about Helen and anyone she wanted to have a go at behind their back.

BB of course kept doing the popularity poles where only a few knew about and used results as propaganda to convince the full audience watching that the Maj of the viewers had decided the findings of the polls IE that it was always Ashleigh who was nicest and Helen who was always worst.

The continuous untrue attack by Ashleigh and BB on Helen is what true bullying is.Believe me.I know what bullying is.I was bullied almost every day growing up.The difference is we don't all turn out to be bullies ourselves like Ashleigh.Many of us who have been bullied are determined to be the opposite and determined to care about others and not be bullies ourselves.

Helen's outbursts on Jale and Mathew weren't nice but they also weren't carried on.They were just isolated outbursts from a soft hearted emotional person who has gone out of her way several yimes to comfort others in the house when they have been upset.Her behaviour has not been continuous, cold hearted,pre meditated and usually untrue.It is only Ashleigh & BB that are the real bullies and responsible for being continuous,cold hearted,pre planned and often untrue usually pouring all that nastiness on one person Helen.

If you are a good person.There is more than one way to have entertainment.I'd far rather mine was up front and honest not cold,lying and back stabbing like Ashleigh and BB so to stop their nastiness and pre planned lies vote Helen & vote Ash in case Helen doesn't get enough as Ash is good looking & he may get enough votes if Helen can't.The main thing is to stop lying & cold continuous attack real bullying from BB & Ashleigh from winning and being rewarded for it by £100,000

The thing which annoys me is that the others have been left out in the cold. It has all been about H/A. Chris was put down right in the beginning along with Ashleigh, thus they became the outsiders as well as one or two others. They didnt like the continual talk re sex, which as we know now, was quite explicit. After Daniell left Ashleigh approached Chris and sought his friendship.

CHRIS to win....

[Lex]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

I've been so tired watching the continuous one sided backing for Ashleigh and the continuous one sided corrupt votes on the popularity polls where only a few knew & got to vote used as propaganda all the time for several weeks

to make Ashleigh seem like an angel while attacking one person Helen mainly with the lies over and over.

It was definite propaganda, which so many voters and so much of the BB audience fell for.

I hated what Helen said to Jale too.I promise I really did & if I was a friend of Helen's I would be having a word with her and telling her to control her behaviour otherwise I would ditch her as a friend.

So it genuinely isn't because I was a fan of Helen saying slug etc.

But it's just I've been disgusted by how bitter and full of hate Ashleigh is, unnaturally so, hence why she has trouble smiling can't get out of her pajamas for long time prob till lunch time most days.

& I've been disgusted at how she has definitely lied and put on tears to the camera so often.Ashleigh I think is a better actor than Chris, & find it ironic that Ashleigh & Chris have been together as they are the two actors in the house.

Ashleigh has definitely known when to cry IE as soon as it's announced she put Ash up she put on the tears to make out she cared, why ? to save her own as* of course, & BB for weeks avoided the so obvious many examples of nasty things Ashleigh was saying and doing behind even her friends backs and never discussed them while all the time showing clips of Ashleigh deliberately playing to the camera to influence the thinking of the general public and making them believe lies about Helen and anyone she wanted to have a go at behind their back.

BB of course kept doing the popularity poles where only a few knew about and used results as propaganda to convince the full audience watching that the Maj of the viewers had decided the findings of the polls IE that it was always Ashleigh who was nicest and Helen who was always worst.

The continuous untrue attack by Ashleigh and BB on Helen is what true bullying is.Believe me.I know what bullying is.I was bullied almost every day growing up.The difference is we don't all turn out to be bullies ourselves like Ashleigh.Many of us who have been bullied are determined to be the opposite and determined to care about others and not be bullies ourselves.

Helen's outbursts on Jale and Mathew weren't nice but they also weren't carried on.They were just isolated outbursts from a soft hearted emotional person who has gone out of her way several yimes to comfort others in the house when they have been upset.Her behaviour has not been continuous, cold hearted,pre meditated and usually untrue.It is only Ashleigh & BB that are the real bullies and responsible for being continuous,cold hearted,pre planned and often untrue usually pouring all that nastiness on one person Helen.

If you are a good person.There is more than one way to have entertainment.I'd far rather mine was up front and honest not cold,lying and back stabbing like Ashleigh and BB so to stop their nastiness and pre planned lies vote Helen & vote Ash in case Helen doesn't get enough as Ash is good looking & he may get enough votes if Helen can't.The main thing is to stop lying & cold continuous attack real bullying from BB & Ashleigh from winning and being rewarded for it by £100,000

Rubbish thread title, but good and accurate post cfromhx02!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Give that girl a Golden BOT

She'll be able to buy 10 Golden BOT's tonight out of her winnings.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

She'll be able to buy 10 Golden BOT's tonight out of her winnings.

[Robodog]

Good post.

I am sick of hearing that Ashleigh should win because 'she has been through so much ..' from BOTS audience members etc.

WHAT has she 'been through' exactly ??

I can understand that being said about Jale - or even Helen for that matter - but Ashleigh ??

She hasn't 'been through' anything !

She spent most of the series in her dressing gown moaning with Danielle. Since Danielle left Ashleigh has continued moaning - but with Chris.

The only argument she's had was with Helen which entirely due to her own making being her 'evil plan' to exclude Helen and manipulate the other girls against Helen/Ash. Quite rightly Helen pulled her up on it in the garden.

And even after that - with the Red and Blue team task - Helen made a point of saying to Ashleigh how nice it was to have her join in.

Helen made great effort with Ashleigh, despite her 'evil plan' and weeks of constant moaning about her.

Yet as the post says BB has created many 'outside influence tasks' that have peddled the myth of 'good Ashleigh - bad Helen' and all gullible viewers/BOTS audience members just swallowed it as gospel.

Thank god there are enough intelligent viewers who can see through this charade - but sadly i fear we are not in the majority.

And as we know - the majority rarely make the best decisions. Just look at who won last year !

[jessicadanielle]

Yes Ashleigh has shown a continuous dislike for Helen, but this is different from repeated attempts to make somebody feel isolated. Ashleigh didn't bully Helen, and Helen didn't bully Ashleigh. They both disliked each other and didn't get on. Mid way through the series, they both made an effort to be friends and it worked for a while. As lots of people have said, HMs and FMs, they're just so alike, both quite stubborn, that they were never going to see eye to eye. They both said quite nasty stuff about each other but lots of people do. They were faced with each other 24/7 so it's unsurprising how they got frustrated with each other. I still believe BB has tried to make out like there's more of a feud between them than there actually was.

Helen did continuously treat Jale in a way to make her feel isolated and intimidated, and I see this as bullying behaviour. Same with Christopher. I don't think Helen bullied Matthew exactly, because as the OP said that was an isolated incidence, but the way she reacted certainly showed some bullying qualities, particularly how she stood over him speaking to him in an intimidating way.

However, as another FM said, I'm just sick of the whole show being boiled down to Helen vs. Ashleigh. They both have good and bad qualities, as do the other four HMs in the running, and personally I think they've all brought something to the show this year.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Good post.

I am sick of hearing that Ashleigh should win because 'she has been through so much ..' from BOTS audience members etc.

WHAT has she 'been through' exactly ??

This really annoys me too, not because I think Ashleigh hasn't been through anything, but because every HM has had to put up with **** in there. They signed up for it, of course, but all of them put up with the same stuff and go on their own "journey" (wow, sorry for the cringe word). So yeah I agree, it's daft when BOTS members etc. claim Ashleigh deserves to win because of what she's been through

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Yes Ashleigh has shown a continuous dislike for Helen, but this is different from repeated attempts to make somebody feel isolated. Ashleigh didn't bully Helen, and Helen didn't bully Ashleigh. They both disliked each other and didn't get on. Mid way through the series, they both made an effort to be friends and it worked for a while. As lots of people have said, HMs and FMs, they're just so alike, both quite stubborn, that they were never going to see eye to eye. They both said quite nasty stuff about each other but lots of people do. They were faced with each other 24/7 so it's unsurprising how they got frustrated with each other. I still believe BB has tried to make out like there's more of a feud between them than there actually was.

Helen did continuously treat Jale in a way to make her feel isolated and intimidated, and I see this as bullying behaviour. Same with Christopher. I don't think Helen bullied Matthew exactly, because as the OP said that was an isolated incidence, but the way she reacted certainly showed some bullying qualities, particularly how she stood over him speaking to him in an intimidating way.

However, as another FM said, I'm just sick of the whole show being boiled down to Helen vs. Ashleigh. They both have good and bad qualities, as do the other four HMs in the running, and personally I think they've all brought something to the show this year.

Such a fair post

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

This really annoys me too, not because I think Ashleigh hasn't been through anything, but because every HM has had to put up with **** in there. They signed up for it, of course, but all of them put up with the same stuff and go on their own "journey" (wow, sorry for the cringe word). So yeah I agree, it's daft when BOTS members etc. claim Ashleigh deserves to win because of what she's been through

Very true point.

Every single person in there signs up to a challenge by going in there. All of them could sit you down and tell you about their highs and lows in the house and they would all be right.

There has only been a few moments in BB history when someone has had to put up with an excessive amount of unreasonable behaviour from other HMs.

Deana took abuse and hit a brick wall with Conor. Freddie was outcast, mocked and deflated for quite sometime (just to think of examples of the top of my head)

But this series has been pretty fair all round - sure there's been a few angry moments and a few tasks which have been a bit heavy on Helen - but you get that every series really.

That's why it's nice to see them all come together in relative harmony for the last few days. Thank goodness.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Raph

Fantastic post. Ashleigh is a miserable brat and would make the worst winner of all time.

It was an awful post. Helen is a miserable immature brat and a nasty bully to people she doesn't like. Helen would be THE worst winner of all time. "fun" for Helen is being nasty to others.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Very true point.

Every single person in there signs up to a challenge by going in there. All of them could sit you down and tell you about their highs and lows in the house and they would all be right.

There has only been a few moments in BB history when someone has had to put up with an excessive amount of unreasonable behaviour from other HMs.

Deana took abuse and hit a brick wall with Conor. Freddie was outcast, mocked and deflated for quite sometime (just to think of examples of the top of my head)

But this series has been pretty fair all round - sure there's been a few angry moments and a few tasks which have been a bit heavy on Helen - but you get that every series really.

That's why it's nice to see them all come together in relative harmony for the last few days. Thank goodness.

Yeah, I think on the whole, although there have been some moments that have been pretty difficult to watch, the harsh behaviour that some HMs have shown to others has never been that relentless. As you say, past series have been much worse (which isn't to justify anything this series).

To be honest, I'm just glad Pauline was evicted when she was, or it could have been much more difficult to watch. Her treatment of Jale and also Christopher was just awful. I'm quite glad she was given the power on the first day - all of the HMs seemed to like her, so if anybody else was given the power, there's a good chance they could have chosen her for the pass to the final. That's what nightmares are made of.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Achilles

It was an awful post. Helen is a miserable immature brat and a nasty bully to people she doesn't like. Helen would be THE worst winner of all time. "fun" for Helen is being nasty to others.

You should watch BB a bit closer.

The last few days we've seen Ashleigh is miserable, immature, nasty one - slagging Helen off without provocation - just like your post does.

And Helen has been the one to be mature enough to rise above it, 'have fun' by laughing at herself and be the bigger person by offering Ashleigh a truce and swinging her round and cuddling her with genuine warmth.

The HMs and most forum members have come together in harmony for the end of the series. It would be nice if you did too

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Yeah, I think on the whole, although there have been some moments that have been pretty difficult to watch, the harsh behaviour that some HMs have shown to others has never been that relentless. As you say, past series have been much worse (which isn't to justify anything this series).

To be honest, I'm just glad Pauline was evicted when she was, or it could have been much more difficult to watch. Her treatment of Jale and also Christopher was just awful. I'm quite glad she was given the power on the first day - all of the HMs seemed to like her, so if anybody else was given the power, there's a good chance they could have chosen her for the pass to the final. That's what nightmares are made of.

Yeah personally i found the way Freddie suffered in BB10 and the way Conor was with Deana were harder to watch than anything this series.

Having said that - Pauline was VERY toxic and if she had stayed i think it could have got as bad as BB has ever been.

She was poison against Chris, Jale, Christopher and very belittling about 'showergate' - so yeah i think we were spared some very heavy moments by her getting evicted not a moment too soon!

.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Robodog

You should watch BB a bit closer.

The last few days we've seen Ashleigh is miserable, immature, nasty one - slagging Helen off without provocation - just like your post does.

And Helen has been the one to be mature enough to rise above it, 'have fun' by laughing at herself and be the bigger person by offering Ashleigh a truce and swinging her round and cuddling her with genuine warmth.

The HMs and most forum members have come together in harmony for the end of the series. It would be nice if you did too

She had two chances to apologize for her behaviour that resulted in complaints and warnings. She refused. She was immature and nasty. The apology to Ashleigh came after a visit from her nasty gang. AFTER that, she had the second chance to apologize during her speech. Refused again and was dismissive yet again. There is no genuine regret or remorse in her. She has not changed and not been on a journey. Once she leaves she will be exactly the same as when she went in. Just like the rest of her nasty gang

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Good post.

I am sick of hearing that Ashleigh should win because 'she has been through so much ..' from BOTS audience members etc.

WHAT has she 'been through' exactly ??

I can understand that being said about Jale - or even Helen for that matter - but Ashleigh ??

She hasn't 'been through' anything !

Toya leaving, plan backfiring, Matthew getting evicted, eviction audience chanting to get her out, conversations played back, labelled biggest liar and biggest gameplayer during the seance, more conversations and diary room entries played back, up for eviction and survived against Jale, looking very likely to be evicted by the new housemates the following week, voted power housemate and given immunity only to have it taken away and put up for eviction again. She had everything but the kitchen sink thrown at her during this period and hardly flinched. Very strong girl.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

You should watch BB a bit closer.

The last few days we've seen Ashleigh is miserable, immature, nasty one - slagging Helen off without provocation - just like your post does.

And Helen has been the one to be mature enough to rise above it, 'have fun' by laughing at herself and be the bigger person by offering Ashleigh a truce and swinging her round and cuddling her with genuine warmth.

The HMs and most forum members have come together in harmony for the end of the series. It would be nice if you did too

She spoke about her because she thought she'd been evicted, that's reflective, just as Ash spoke about her when he thought she'd been evicted but obviously he had a different experience with her. The provocation was brought on by Big Brother

[susie q]

Ashleigh only had one target and that was Helen. Helen had several Danielle, Jale Christopher etc. She not only bitched about them behind there backs but used intimidating tactics including isolation of her victims. She doesnt need 100k she will unfortunatel be the only one who will make any money outside the house, let her be satisfied with that.
I agree that Pauline started the ball rolling but Helen ran with it. Anyway it really is to late for these hate any housemate threads. I for one have made up mind who to vote for, and this thread has done nothing to make me change my mind. Time for them to stop.